Emina. Well done for being brave enough to come back to Osbawn on this, it is not easy to publicly admit your own failings- none of us are perfect. I would say, Osbawn lives on the other side of GL, and he could easily be referring to a St Annes ward Councillor?!
As Osbawn was the character who started off my legal defence fund nearly four years ago may I be the first to start off his and Emine's "give up smoking fund" by pledging £100 to the charity of their choice should they BOTH manage to give up smoking until at least the end of the year?
Thank you for posting and for your candour.
‘Yesterday’ is always relative but the one I was referring to was Saturday rather than the Sunday when you were down sarf presumably evangelising about how things norf of the river are generally superior. However, as you said you’ve not been in the Salisbury during the day for months, I must be wrong and am sorry. You no doubt have a twin or a doppelgänger who is constantly wondering why people stop them in the street and ask why their bins are being repeatedly returned 3 inches to the left of their ‘correct’ position by errant bin men and why the Council is not doing everything in its power to find moggy who has been missing for days.
Thanks for being conscious of the need to bin the butts. Without wanting to sound patronising, I wish others would follow your lead. I’m sure you’ve noticed from posts on here alone that there is a massive sense of helplessness and despair about the wider issue of littering and that there is a groundswell of support for action. The question is what could or should that action be?
Everyone knows that the Borough has big problems and that you and Council staff are dealing with complex, challenging and draining problems associated with access to depleted services for vulnerable people, ensuring schools are up to scratch and social housing is available and fit for purpose. There is only so much time, money and effort available so I can’t fault the focus being given to the highest priorities. Nevertheless, the litter problem remains and is getting worse. It effects everyone in the borough east of the tracks irrespective of social, age or economic divisions and really brings the area down. Even if Council resources do not enable it to do much, I think a lot of people would still like to see it doing something.
I can’t help thinking that much of the culture change necessary wouldn’t be too resource onerous. If I ask the wo/man on the street to put her cigarette in the bin or the shopkeeper to stop sweeping his rubbish into the street I’ll get a load of abuse and probably a smack in the face. But if you ask the shopkeeper or engage the Traders in a campaign they should listen. If the Council can organise a few creative posters for shop windows or a couple of staff to stand on Green Lanes for a few hours every couple of Saturdays (paid of course) with a ‘help keep the environment clean’ message that will help, if Councillor Aymet or Kober sent a twitter message out (on-line to avoid paper cost and litter) to explain what they’re doing to get Veolia to improve its performance it would help (purple bags dumped on the footpath for days on end simply encourage more litter). If the Traders Association got together to create a ‘good neighbour’ statement showing what they will do to contribute to the cleanliness of Green Lanes that would help too. All those things should be reasonably easy to arrange and would give residents some comfort that someone is on their side. Would you and the other ward Councillors get behind an effort to have Harringay awarded a Keep Britain Tidy green flag or something similar? All those things would help and I’m sure Alan Stanton would have some obscure authors for us to read who profess deeper knowledge of the issues and more nuanced solutions.
They’re the carrots but the stick would help too. I’m not a fan of non-State employees dishing out fines to members of the public but if that will help fix the problem then I’m willing to look past my liberal reservations and support the use of private wardens to issue fixed penalty notices. I thought Haringey Council was too but I’m yet to see one of the enforcers. They’d only need to wander up and down Green Lanes a few times a week to provide a healthy income stream for the council coffers which could be reused for the nicer initiatives. They’d also help change at least some of the behaviour. Surely copping a fine in Hackney stuck in the mind at least for a while.
How about a press release:
Haringey Council announces the ‘Great Harringay Clean-up: Making the Lanes Green Again’. Emine Ibrahim, local community groups, Veolia and the Traders’ Association are having a day of action! We’ll be scrubbing footpaths, removing oil stains outside restaurants, sweeping up litter, removing fly-tippings and resetting the standard! Veolia, the Council’s waste removal provider, following encouragement from the Council hierarchy, has agreed to make a special off-cycle pick up along Green Lanes to remove all the additional bagged waste from the bottom of Ladder and top of Gardens roads. Residents and Traders are invited to bring a broom and a bucket for a 4 hours deep clean of Green Lanes and adjacent roads. There will be entertainment for the kids, a free sausage/vege sizzle for volunteers and loads of environmental information. Come one, come all – Sunday the Xth of X 2017 0830-1230am (to beat the Sunday kebab crowds).
But in all seriousness, if there is something that a group of community members could do to help reduce the litter and engage the powers that be (official and unofficial, salaried and expensed) at the Council, what would you suggest? We need some help?
Happy to buy you a coffee and discuss. I don’t smoke contrary to now popular opinion but I’ll buy you one of those too (though perhaps not from John McMullan’s supplier).
Good God, Osbawn, your ambition knows no bounds. Are you really trying to smoke the entire "cabinet" and their officers out of their burrows?
Nice one, Osbawn. You've managed to smoke at least one Labour councillor out of hiding. Brilliant ploy! But as far as bad habits go, I'd prefer fags and butts any day to so-called 'smartphones'. No Green Lanes or Wightman Road pedestrian has ever walked blindly into me on the footpath because they were smoking or stubbing out their butts, whereas dumbphoneusers do so regularly. Stub out the rubbish dumbphones, say I, not the fag butts.
Nice one, Osbawn. You've managed to smoke at least one Labour councillor out of hiding. Brilliant ploy!
Oh no, Emine. I wasn't suggesting you've been hiding your coffee or cigarette habit. Just hiding.
Emine. I mean this in the nicest possible way - could you have a look in your Haringey.gov inbox and see if you have a mail from me ? ( two actually )