Tottenham's Artist Colony - Harringay online2024-03-29T10:03:37Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/tottenham-s-artist-colony?feed=yes&xn_auth=norent was cheap 5 years ago bu…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-06-20:844301:Comment:5038692013-06-20T15:50:55.575Z1ddh9cswesryuhttps://harringayonline.com/xn/detail/u_1ddh9cswesryu
<p>rent was cheap 5 years ago but most creatives will move out come next year cos their rents are getting ridiculous... and the pizza express will roll in to a generic new build of the current architectural trend.. forgetting the beauty of England (and the particular building of wards corner) is history.. use it don't lose it! </p>
<p>rent was cheap 5 years ago but most creatives will move out come next year cos their rents are getting ridiculous... and the pizza express will roll in to a generic new build of the current architectural trend.. forgetting the beauty of England (and the particular building of wards corner) is history.. use it don't lose it! </p> The problem for the area is m…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-06-20:844301:Comment:5036272013-06-20T15:29:09.799Zclydehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/clyde
<p>The problem for the area is mainly the council’s bizarre planning zone policy. Tottenham Green is the new Croydon the Arts and Media quarter. As Alan said the 70’s idea is ludicrous. Arts regeneration bought to life by the new BG church oops I mean Arts Centre. The concept of destroying everything like Wards Corner to create this new Croydon zone with shiny cladding towers and a shopping mall full of creatives is a little 20th century planning. </p>
<p>In the 21st century the new media…</p>
<p>The problem for the area is mainly the council’s bizarre planning zone policy. Tottenham Green is the new Croydon the Arts and Media quarter. As Alan said the 70’s idea is ludicrous. Arts regeneration bought to life by the new BG church oops I mean Arts Centre. The concept of destroying everything like Wards Corner to create this new Croydon zone with shiny cladding towers and a shopping mall full of creatives is a little 20th century planning. </p>
<p>In the 21st century the new media people i.e. the Dalstonian kids sitting in "Tina We Salute You" are the way forward. They choose that area as it is an attractive funky space where they can create with their iPhad and correspond with their virtual colleagues. Dull high street shops with pig ugly towers will just drive the arts and media money away as the new generation does not need offices or workspace it is truly mobile.</p>
<p> Seven Sisters would have become the new Dalston and the new media quarter but with this council lead destruction the area plan has put an end to the future media kids. It keeps the artist whilst it keeps the cheap warehouse rent. An accident as the original plan was to rip down the warehouse for the new stadium. </p>
<p>I know several media people that rent here priced out of trendy Hackney, who had started to put down roots attracted by the warehouse scene and the very London local offerings. They love the weirdness of places like Wards Corner shops and its market. In it they see creatively and inspiration not trendy in the rather sad arts centre. They lead they do not follow.</p>
<p>The council needs to get an up to date i.e. this century’s planning policy, if they want to keep the new media kids in the area. The council plan will drive them away and replace them with short term transient occupants through tenanted new build. New, shiny and lock up and leave is not what the arts and media thrives on. They are employed to sell this sort of thing to foreign investors.</p>
<p>As the rather dusty economic strategy report say the council/Grainger Wards Corner development has the power to attract a food shop with the status of Iceland – oooh the council will gasp but the new media kids will yawn on their way elsewhere.</p>
<p>Yes mum’s gone to Iceland but dropped the new media kids off (now making vast cash) on route to an attractive well planned area. Then Iceland closed for on line shopping and the towers lock up and leave occupants all shopped and play in Kings Cross. The end (before it actually started to regenerate).</p> Oh, yes please!tag:harringayonline.com,2013-06-19:844301:Comment:5035482013-06-19T23:02:02.223ZClaudia Clarehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/ClaudiaClare
<p>Oh, yes please!</p>
<p>Oh, yes please!</p> HI Alan
I work at the Choc Fa…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-06-19:844301:Comment:5033012013-06-19T22:56:29.305ZClaudia Clarehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/ClaudiaClare
<p>HI Alan</p>
<p>I work at the Choc Factory, which is referred to a a 'cultural quarter.' Never fully understood if it's council led or not but I think council plays a part anyway. I have a studio in the Choc Factory with Collage Arts, which is a charity. in 2002-3 I had a studio with Euroarart when it was at White Heart Lane. In the same way as a council cant make an artist successful, a landlord cant either. I find that the more 'hands-off' approach of CA works better for me. Euroart is or…</p>
<p>HI Alan</p>
<p>I work at the Choc Factory, which is referred to a a 'cultural quarter.' Never fully understood if it's council led or not but I think council plays a part anyway. I have a studio in the Choc Factory with Collage Arts, which is a charity. in 2002-3 I had a studio with Euroarart when it was at White Heart Lane. In the same way as a council cant make an artist successful, a landlord cant either. I find that the more 'hands-off' approach of CA works better for me. Euroart is or was very hands on and I found that they just didn't have the right kind of knowledge that would help me even had I wanted that level of support. I didn't want it though, so I departed. As individuals I got on well with them but our areas of interest and, therefore, knowledge was categorically different. I'm not sure if our rents at CA are reduced because the landlord has charitable status or not, but I do know that the rents are very reasonable for which I am eternally grateful. That alone has made a major contribution to the success of my career in the last three years. It is by far the most important thing. The rest HAS to be done by me. No amount of hands-on or off can make a difference there - it is the rent that is decisive and the only significant contribution a landlord can make.</p> If you're curious about why w…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-06-17:844301:Comment:5019892013-06-17T12:46:26.676Zpamishhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/pamish
<p>If you're curious about why what happens/has happened in Dalston is of interest to us around here, have a look at the <a href="http://opendalston.blogspot.co.uk/" target="_blank">Open Dalston</a> blog and back story. Some of the discussions are awfully familiar.</p>
<p>"TfL acknowledges that the earlier designs were considered "uninspiring and repetitive" but it now describes the new designs for the Western Curve's northern block as 'sculptural' and which 'responds' to local character. One…</p>
<p>If you're curious about why what happens/has happened in Dalston is of interest to us around here, have a look at the <a href="http://opendalston.blogspot.co.uk/" target="_blank">Open Dalston</a> blog and back story. Some of the discussions are awfully familiar.</p>
<p>"TfL acknowledges that the earlier designs were considered "uninspiring and repetitive" but it now describes the new designs for the Western Curve's northern block as 'sculptural' and which 'responds' to local character. One change has been the reduction from 8 to 7 storeys. TfL claims the designs now "respond...to the ambitions of the community". "</p>
<p>ie take off the penthouse and the Planning Committee rolls over.</p>
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<p></p> there has always been a plan…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-06-17:844301:Comment:5018172013-06-17T12:12:16.405Z1ddh9cswesryuhttps://harringayonline.com/xn/detail/u_1ddh9cswesryu
<p>there has always been a plan to make a railway through fountayne rd and so the landlord changed and filled the empty 7 building, to a low standard to get more money for it once the plans go in to action.. As I understand it the mark field was a sublet build by the guys who had the fire in the high cross ones so that's probably why they are out, and yes inspections are imminent but it is land lords responsibility to rehouse. I pay residential bills council tax etc so the council should know…</p>
<p>there has always been a plan to make a railway through fountayne rd and so the landlord changed and filled the empty 7 building, to a low standard to get more money for it once the plans go in to action.. As I understand it the mark field was a sublet build by the guys who had the fire in the high cross ones so that's probably why they are out, and yes inspections are imminent but it is land lords responsibility to rehouse. I pay residential bills council tax etc so the council should know already what type of building we are I think its the planning division that hasn't been informed but it took a year for them to bill me so I think it will be some time till they go in to action and probably can't afford to take the landlords to court anyway</p>
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<p>us being here has already attracted some gentrification I know band that have been told to stop practice on a Saturday afternoon cos they were making too much noise! but they moved here to be able to make noise its like telling an artist to stop painting cos it smells.. the people who shouldn't be here already are and i fear slowly growing :(</p> Interesting that there is an…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-06-16:844301:Comment:5014192013-06-16T00:24:59.095ZImperial8https://harringayonline.com/profile/Imperial8
<p>Interesting that there is an absense of mentioning the councils 'inspections' of Imperial Works properties and most of Fountayne Road. There seems to be a huge issue with the landlords not changing the properties use when they went from factories/sweat-shops to live-work. And now we could pay the price for that. I know of one eviction notice already on Markfield road. </p>
<p>I do think Alan has a point of us being the canaries in this prior to the gentrification and progress which is sure…</p>
<p>Interesting that there is an absense of mentioning the councils 'inspections' of Imperial Works properties and most of Fountayne Road. There seems to be a huge issue with the landlords not changing the properties use when they went from factories/sweat-shops to live-work. And now we could pay the price for that. I know of one eviction notice already on Markfield road. </p>
<p>I do think Alan has a point of us being the canaries in this prior to the gentrification and progress which is sure to come. I have seen the development plans of the council which would see major changes for our wonderful area. Be it 'progress' or not. Councils do tend to play the long game & I fear this is just an element of the end-game. </p> I don't know what we are real…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-06-14:844301:Comment:5009482013-06-14T12:31:51.370Z1ddh9cswesryuhttps://harringayonline.com/xn/detail/u_1ddh9cswesryu
<p>I don't know what we are really. I just know that the rents are a bit ridiculous (going up 30% + on contract renewal) and more and more development of the surrounding warehouses have sprung up, but I don't think Investment is their plan as they get enough money from doing almost nothing.</p>
<p>I don't know what we are really. I just know that the rents are a bit ridiculous (going up 30% + on contract renewal) and more and more development of the surrounding warehouses have sprung up, but I don't think Investment is their plan as they get enough money from doing almost nothing.</p> I hope, Gemma, that you are n…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-06-14:844301:Comment:5009432013-06-14T12:27:48.918ZAlan Stantonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AlanStanton
<p>I hope, Gemma, that you are not "canaries" for the freeholders to ratchet-up rents, and eventually redevelop former warehouses into blocks of flats.</p>
<p>Years ago I visited Liverpool and met University academics who showed me the (then) newly redeveloped Albert Dock. They told me that large retail chains were happy to let small businesses take the early risks.</p>
<p>I hope, Gemma, that you are not "canaries" for the freeholders to ratchet-up rents, and eventually redevelop former warehouses into blocks of flats.</p>
<p>Years ago I visited Liverpool and met University academics who showed me the (then) newly redeveloped Albert Dock. They told me that large retail chains were happy to let small businesses take the early risks.</p> I think its going the way of…tag:harringayonline.com,2013-06-14:844301:Comment:5008502013-06-14T11:52:47.601Z1ddh9cswesryuhttps://harringayonline.com/xn/detail/u_1ddh9cswesryu
<p>I think its going the way of Dalston as Shorditch did before..I can tell from the massive rent increases that we in the warehouses have incurred how ever there is an open studios event for the Fountayne Rd on the 22nd all are welcome to come and see what is behind the photos on this post :)</p>
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<p>I think its going the way of Dalston as Shorditch did before..I can tell from the massive rent increases that we in the warehouses have incurred how ever there is an open studios event for the Fountayne Rd on the 22nd all are welcome to come and see what is behind the photos on this post :)</p>
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