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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

just found out today that compulsory water metering started in my street and many others from 9th January 2019. We received no letter saying it was starting that date and all I got was a sorry from Thames Water. This is dreadful at least tell people. And for anyone with a disability or low income the is a scheme which you can apply for which caps the total usage but they only tell you if you complain..

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inrefused and my meter is outside. As far as I’m aware you can refuse to have them install anything if you own your home but I believe if they claim they can’t put it outside they can insist. However if again you refuse they can reduce your water pressure like they do if you don’t pay your bill but can’t cut you off completely unless the law has changed

Unmetered I pay £27.14 per month to Thames Water for a 1 bed (1 floor of a terraced house) property with 2 adults in it. Our usage is pretty low so I'm sure we're being way overcharged here.

Anyone got any experience of whether a meter is cheaper in this scenario? I feel like it would be, I appealed the assessment of our charges when we first moved in but they said it was the correct price for the property.

Unmetered is based on Rateble Value like council tax. You would probably be better off with meter in this case

How is this supposed to work if a house is divided into flats but only has one common supply pipe from the mains? Thames installed a meter in the pavement here many years ago, when replacing a leaking pipe from their main to my front boundary, but haven't used it for charges; the supply to the two flats has never been separated, primarily because Thames would charge an absolute fortune to lay a new supply pipe from the main. So how are two separate usages monitored?

In any case, the whole project would be much more convincing if we didn't know that since privatisation Thames has been just as a cash-cow for its owners, with chronic and sustained under-investment, an appalling leaks record and a serious record of fines for breaching basic requirements. At least part of the south-east's water shortage is the result of Thames paying itself mega dividends instead of investing in maintenance, pipework renewal and prevention of waste through unrepaired leaks, almost untouched by a pusillanimous "regulator" that appears to be in the pocket of the whole water industry.

In this case I would be cautious because if the house has been converted into flats with separate doors within the house it is illegal not to divide the water. This became law many years ago. Whoever didn’t divide the water pipe may be because the law was any converted or newly built property had to have compulsory meters. Be careful because if Haringey Council get wind of this there may be a fine coming..

Thanks for the alert, Nick. To clarify: there's one inlet pipe from the main to the house, which then splits inside to give each flat a separate supply (and I hope does conform to building regs, though done years before I moved here). It would be neater if there were two separate pipes supplying the individual flats directly from the main, not least as it's unclear exactly where the internal split is - and therefore where separate meters could go - but I'd assumed this was how any converted house would get its water and it's never been an issue until the prospect of metering loomed. Presumably a building with, say, 12 flats doesn't have 12 different pipes coming in from the main, does it? Anyway, I'll now check (carefully) on the legal status, so thanks for the tip.

I posted something on HoL a couple of years ago about this. I have tried to find the correspondence i got but I cannot put my hands on it, nor find my original post. I did find the document below however. Not sure why it is coming out sideways. 

It does say my home will be part of a metering roll out programme. The other doc I cannot find also says we will be told when a meter is put in, and receive updates as to our usage to see if we are better off transferring early to benefit from savings. 

As far as I know no meter has ever been fitted. Certainly no one has been into my home to do so. I do have a meter outside, but I called up Thames Water a few weeks ago as it happens to say that it is apparently broken- which it has not always been so who knows how that happened. Anyway, I got sucked into arranging an appointment for someone to come fit a meter. I did not see it through as I was not 100% sure what the best plan of approach would be. 

Long and the short of it, I think TW have not really done a great job on this, as - as far as I can see - they never followed up and did what they said they were going to do...

There is a post you started in 2016, Justin. Use the tag above, underneath the original post.

That’s the one. Thanks Hugh! 

Hi Hugh;

I'm trying to find Justin original post.  I don't understand the use the tag above, underneath the original post.  Sorry for being dumb.  Can you help me out.

Tags are used to group similar content. They are added by a user or added/ edited by admin.

If you look beneath the original post above, you'll see water meters in blue. (Anything in that blue colour is an active link to other site content or external content).

Click on water meters and you'll get a list of posts tagged water meters.

My advice would be if they haven’t put a meter in or it’s broken and they haven’t forced you to replace it just stay as you are unless you solely believe you would be paying less for what you use then on a standard rate. As this is classed as a stressed area eventually everyone will be on a meter. Blame the Mayor of London..

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