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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

Last night two people were stabbed outside Turnpike Lane station in the early hours of the morning.

https://t.co/1S6Owic9aX

Anyone with any information please contact the police.


If you read Twitter it also says a cannabis factory was burnt down in the area as well. Sigh.

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Were they making aspirin, cider, nicotine ....no.

An illegal drug not offered by anyone else.

I wonder why ?

Yes FPR, the folk who grow cannabis in houses are really folk heroes. They bypass the electric meters, endangering their neighbours. They use trafficked children to tend to the plants.

And there is plenty of criminal activity associated with legal drugs. Taking your examples of nicotine and alcohol, there is significant criminal activity through tax evasion through smuggling and counterfeiting. Many legal drugs are both counterfeited and repackaged when date expired. If cannabis was legalised tomorrow there would still be plenty of criminal activity associated with it.

The reality is cannabis has pretty much been decriminalised as far as Law Enforcement priorities are concerned.

If cannabis was legalised tomorrow there would be much much much less criminal activity and the state would be cash rich to throw at other problems. As it is we have kids killing each other to enjoy a share of trade in a market place left open by a government vacuum. It is resulting in kids growing in attics all over London instead of in safe government licensed laboratories.

Policing one area heavily for a while will just move the problem down the road. This is a marketplace that is cash richer than some councils or police budgets.

If murder were decriminalised tomorrow there would be many many fewer illegal killings.

Do you see where this is going ?

When you see burglar here, think murderer ( from an undercover cop) ....

' The argument Woods heard more than any other from his colleagues was: yes, the war on drugs is hard to win, but just because lots of people burgle houses that’s no reason to legalise burglary, so we shouldn’t legalise drugs just because so many people take them. By now it’s hard to remember that Woods was ever a policeman. He tucks into “this bog-standard reply” as if it were a banquet. “There’s two answers to counter that view. For one, burglars are a tiny number of people. As any police inspector or sergeant will tell you, you can decrease the amount of burglaries in a town of 25,000 people by half by catching two burglars. And by catching burglars, you reduce the demand for that crime, so to speak. But by policing drugs, you don’t reduce the demand. You have no impact on the demand whatsoever.”

He cites a global study, conducted by the coalition government, of the impact that punitive drug policies have had on drug use. Its unambiguous conclusion, he says, was that “however harsh your measures – the death penalty, 20 years in prison – they have no impact on drug use”. Instead of wasting our time trying to reduce drug use, argues Woods, “drug policy should be about reducing not drug use, but drug harm”.

The second point, he continues, “is that a burglary causes all sorts of devastation, so is wrong in itself. But the only reason why drugs are prohibited is because we made a decision.” The impulse to temporarily alter one’s mind is both natural and universal, and unless we think inebriation intrinsically immoral – in which case alcohol has to go, and probably coffee, too – to allow one method while banning another “makes no sense at all”.'

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/26/neil-woods-undercov...

I've suggested before that if you want the law to be changed the way to do it is to lobby your MP but you seem curiously reluctant to do that.

There should be another police / residents' meeting this year. Perhaps you would consider attending to make your views known ?

I think part of the problem is that it's very difficult to get an adult debate going on this issue. You might remember that last year, during the debate on the banning of psychoactive substances, one MP, Crispin Blunt, admitted in the House that he used amyl nitrate (poppers). At that time it was legal (and has remained so) so he wasn't opening himself to legal action but it was still splashed all over the papers. Can you imagine an MP standing up in the House admitting current cannabis use and talking about their personal experiences? Anyone who has worked in the Houses of Parliament (one of my friends was a researcher there for many years) knows that there is drug use amongst MPs but I very much doubt one of them is going to say anything more than they used it once when they were a student but they didn't inhale and didn't like it very much.
For me it comes down to weighing up the harm of use, if legal, against the harm of illegality. And yes, I have written to my MP about drugs policy on a number of occasions.
TIt's not the MP's that need to be made aware of the stupidity of the war on drugs, they know all too well. Chris Pattern, friend of family to best friend of mine and high ranking Tory MP in the very early nineties, said just this off the record at friends house over dinner a long long time ago.

The problem is the ignorant older generation that will not change their mind when the facts change and who are quick to sideline anyone that says otherwise.

It's them that need to be lobbied because for a generation, they have held the reins of powering on the Houses of Parliament due to voting demographics.

As I clearly said to you before, John.
Hmm. Careful with the stereotypes. Michael (one of the ignorant older generation)

The ignorant older generation cannot change the law. Only MPs can.

Will we see you at the next police / residents' meeting ?

It would be interesting to see the crime figures for those states and cities in the US pre and post decriminalisation. Don't know if that kind of data exists though.

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