The State of Harringay's Hermitage Brook & the Desire for its Culverting - Harringay online2024-03-29T02:34:12Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/bemoaning-the-state-of-the-hermitage-brook-wishing-for-its-culver?groupUrl=historyofharringay&commentId=844301%3AComment%3A1159879&groupId=844301%3AGroup%3A10&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThat's an interesting point.…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-08:844301:Comment:14429782021-08-08T21:09:12.751ZRichard Rosshttps://harringayonline.com/profile/RichardRoss
<p>That's an interesting point. I just googled and it seems the land owner might own the culvert:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.gov.uk/guidance/owning-a-watercourse" target="_blank">https://www.gov.uk/guidance/owning-a-watercourse</a></p>
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<p>That's an interesting point. I just googled and it seems the land owner might own the culvert:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.gov.uk/guidance/owning-a-watercourse" target="_blank">https://www.gov.uk/guidance/owning-a-watercourse</a></p>
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<p></p> I wonder if anyone ever inspe…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-08:844301:Comment:14428902021-08-08T20:28:09.294ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>I wonder if anyone ever inspects it. I guess now it might be done by drone. But up till recently, someone would have had to visit. </p>
<p>I wonder if anyone ever inspects it. I guess now it might be done by drone. But up till recently, someone would have had to visit. </p> Yes indeed. Wouldn't it be gr…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-08:844301:Comment:14429772021-08-08T19:45:38.705ZRichard Rosshttps://harringayonline.com/profile/RichardRoss
<p>Yes indeed. Wouldn't it be great to live on the banks of a brook. My neighbours have a letter dated 1957 from the Borough engineer saying that if the culvert is damaged they won't be liable, unless it is their fault, so breaking it open might cost them a pretty penny!</p>
<p>Yes indeed. Wouldn't it be great to live on the banks of a brook. My neighbours have a letter dated 1957 from the Borough engineer saying that if the culvert is damaged they won't be liable, unless it is their fault, so breaking it open might cost them a pretty penny!</p> Imagined fond memories are cl…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-08:844301:Comment:14428892021-08-08T19:36:17.231ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Imagined fond memories are clearly just as powerful!</p>
<p>I’d love to have a little brook at the end of my garden. Since it’s a natural watercourse, I suppose it’s not owned by Thanes Water. If I was your neighbour, I’d have a hard time stopping myself from opening it up. </p>
<p>Imagined fond memories are clearly just as powerful!</p>
<p>I’d love to have a little brook at the end of my garden. Since it’s a natural watercourse, I suppose it’s not owned by Thanes Water. If I was your neighbour, I’d have a hard time stopping myself from opening it up. </p> Thanks. No I didn't grow up h…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-08:844301:Comment:14429762021-08-08T19:20:04.864ZRichard Rosshttps://harringayonline.com/profile/RichardRoss
<p>Thanks. No I didn't grow up here but I have lived in my house (in Beechfield Road) for some 30 years and never knew about the Hermitage Brook until I read about it on this wonderful web site. It must run just beyond my back fence in the garden of my neighbours. The pumpkins are in their garden and when they dig down they come across concrete, which is presumably the culvert. The poem was inspired by thinking what it might have been like to have a brook running along the back of my house.</p>
<p>Thanks. No I didn't grow up here but I have lived in my house (in Beechfield Road) for some 30 years and never knew about the Hermitage Brook until I read about it on this wonderful web site. It must run just beyond my back fence in the garden of my neighbours. The pumpkins are in their garden and when they dig down they come across concrete, which is presumably the culvert. The poem was inspired by thinking what it might have been like to have a brook running along the back of my house.</p> Thank you for that. Did you w…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-08:844301:Comment:14428872021-08-08T18:43:36.378ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Thank you for that. Did you write that in fond memory of your childhood?</p>
<p>Thank you for that. Did you write that in fond memory of your childhood?</p> The Hermitage Brook
Those hap…tag:harringayonline.com,2021-08-08:844301:Comment:14429722021-08-08T18:24:28.885ZRichard Rosshttps://harringayonline.com/profile/RichardRoss
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><br></br>The Hermitage Brook</strong></p>
<p>Those happy days when along the Hermitage Brook I wandered<br></br> Forgetting that time should not be wasted.</p>
<p>And the minutes, days, months and years passed<br></br> As I grew old.</p>
<p>And the Brook still flows within its concrete walls, as, above, <br></br> the pumpkins grow …</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><br/>The Hermitage Brook</strong></p>
<p>Those happy days when along the Hermitage Brook I wandered<br/> Forgetting that time should not be wasted.</p>
<p>And the minutes, days, months and years passed<br/> As I grew old.</p>
<p>And the Brook still flows within its concrete walls, as, above, <br/> the pumpkins grow </p>
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<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9397130264?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9397130264?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p> This presentation gives some…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-08-03:844301:Comment:11851682019-08-03T12:30:32.829ZCerihttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Ceri
<p>This presentation gives some basic options on where the wetlands/rain garden may go. But still lots of unanswered questions. Thanks Hugh for uploading. </p>
<p>This presentation gives some basic options on where the wetlands/rain garden may go. But still lots of unanswered questions. Thanks Hugh for uploading. </p> I'm attaching Silke's powerpo…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-08-02:844301:Comment:11844872019-08-02T06:37:46.850ZCerihttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Ceri
<p>I'm attaching Silke's powerpoint</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3402874649?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener">PPT_AGM_FCP%20s.pdf</a></p>
<p>I'm attaching Silke's powerpoint</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3402874649?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener">PPT_AGM_FCP%20s.pdf</a></p> Project to investigate possib…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-08-02:844301:Comment:11843012019-08-02T06:32:46.537ZCerihttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Ceri
<p>Project to investigate possibility of daylighting the Stonebridge Brook in Chestnuts Park continues well. I've written a bit about it in your recent thread here <a href="https://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/the-sound-of-the-stonebridge-brook-still-flowing-under-harringay" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/the-sound-of-the-stone...</a>. The Environment Agency has now awarded the LBH Flood Team £30k for feasibility work in the coming…</p>
<p>Project to investigate possibility of daylighting the Stonebridge Brook in Chestnuts Park continues well. I've written a bit about it in your recent thread here <a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/the-sound-of-the-stonebridge-brook-still-flowing-under-harringay" target="_blank">https://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/the-sound-of-the-stone...</a>. The Environment Agency has now awarded the LBH Flood Team £30k for feasibility work in the coming year 19/20. Work is going on now to draw up a brief for a contractor, which Friends of Chestnuts Park is contributing to, as is LBH Parks Service. If the feasibility project makes a strong case, then there could be much larger monies available, from the EA and elsewhere, to create whatever is appropriate in terms of the park and flood relief - most likely a SuDs/Rain garden/SWALE, plus possibly small stretch of deculverted brook and wetlands area able to absorb larger volumes of water when needed. We would always make sure that any project also deals with the poor drainage of the main field, and gets that levelled at the same time. Probably completion date would be 2024.</p>
<p>At our AGM postgrad Engineering Exchange student Silke Mason shared a Powerpoint presentation on some of these options. I'm going to try and upload it here as separate jpeg pics in my next post as the Powerpoint is too big a file. </p>
<p>At the our Friends of Chestnuts Park AGM on 22 July we formed a sub group of people specifically interested in this project, and we welcome new members. Maybe we should call ourselves Friends of Stonebridge Brook! Our next steps include trying to talk in person to you and others writing here who have taken an interest in the Brook, including the writer above who remembers it and the Hermitage when they were above ground. In the meantime, anyone at all interested in being in the loop is welcome to email us at friendsofchestnutspark@hotmail.co.uk and we'll give you regular updates/invite you to join our subgroup. Karen Thomas, editor of the Chartered Institute of Water and Environmental Management's house mag the Environment, lives in the Ladder and is attending our meetings with LBH and following the process of this project, with an eye to a future article, and has also joined our email group. Haringey Rivers Forum is also a key support. </p>