Evaporating traffic? Time to Think again about a Low-Traffic Neighbourhood for Harringay? - Harringay online2024-03-29T06:16:19Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/evaporating-traffic-time-to-think-again-about-a-low-traffic-neigh?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A1181584&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHaringey Council we've found,…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-07-20:844301:Comment:11823862019-07-20T16:23:02.903ZRoryhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Rory
<p>Haringey Council we've found, over and over again to talk a great game about this sort of thing. But we see very little in the way of action. Living Wightman has proved that the residents of the Ladder want the road closed. All their research shows that it is entirely viable and the right thing to do. Of course there was some opposition, but the community started using the streets again and the decrease in pollution was an absolute revelation. The road was closed for six months with very…</p>
<p>Haringey Council we've found, over and over again to talk a great game about this sort of thing. But we see very little in the way of action. Living Wightman has proved that the residents of the Ladder want the road closed. All their research shows that it is entirely viable and the right thing to do. Of course there was some opposition, but the community started using the streets again and the decrease in pollution was an absolute revelation. The road was closed for six months with very little negative effect. Green Lanes took the slack and, as has been shown time and time again, traffic lessened as a result of out-of-borough drivers finding a new route. It's time our councillors started working for us and putting our health first. As far as parking on Green Lanes goes, I've just walked up and down it, and the cars parked outside the shops look exclusively like the ones owned by the shop owners. That, or all the customers of the shops are *very* well heeled in their Mercedes, BMWs, Range Rovers and Teslas. </p> Have a look here if you want…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-07-19:844301:Comment:11820722019-07-19T21:42:30.503ZEMC2https://harringayonline.com/profile/E290
<p>Have a look <a href="https://www.haringey.gov.uk/regeneration/wood-green/improving-turnpike-lane#improvements" rel="noopener" target="_blank">here</a> if you want to see Council Capture by Traders... ...apparently the Council wants to " <span>create a cleaner, greener and safer experience for all users of Turnpike Lane" - how many street trees are there currently on the entire stretch of Turnpike Lane? How many are they proposing to plant? How many cycle Lanes are there? How many are they…</span></p>
<p>Have a look <a href="https://www.haringey.gov.uk/regeneration/wood-green/improving-turnpike-lane#improvements" target="_blank" rel="noopener">here</a> if you want to see Council Capture by Traders... ...apparently the Council wants to " <span>create a cleaner, greener and safer experience for all users of Turnpike Lane" - how many street trees are there currently on the entire stretch of Turnpike Lane? How many are they proposing to plant? How many cycle Lanes are there? How many are they proposing to implement? It's principally focussed on the traders, advertising, customers' cars and parking spaces... </span></p>
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<p></p> There is political will in Ha…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-07-19:844301:Comment:11822662019-07-19T21:06:36.153ZAdrian Hackneyhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/MacHeath
<p>There is political will in Haringey to be granted money from the <a href="http://content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-liveable-neighbourhood-guidance.pdf" rel="noopener" target="_blank">TfL Liveable Neighbourhoods scheme</a>, to the extent that <a href="https://www.haringey.gov.uk/regeneration/wood-green/improving-turnpike-lane" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Turnpike Lane has been twinned with Crouch End</a>. </p>
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<p>There is political will in Haringey to be granted money from the <a href="http://content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-liveable-neighbourhood-guidance.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener">TfL Liveable Neighbourhoods scheme</a>, to the extent that <a href="https://www.haringey.gov.uk/regeneration/wood-green/improving-turnpike-lane" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Turnpike Lane has been twinned with Crouch End</a>. </p>
<p>A <a href="https://www.transportxtra.com/publications/local-transport-today/news/61653/talking-about-better-streets-at-liveable-neighbourhoods-2019" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Liveable Neighbourhoods Conference was held at Alexandra Palace</a>. Which is in Haringey. The opening words were spoken by the Leader of the Council.</p>
<p>I picked up on three themes from the day in order to create a successful scheme 1) transparency, 2) inspiring leadership 3) carry your public with you - perhaps <a href="https://www.towerhamlets.gov.uk/News_events/2019/July_2019/Liveable_Streets_road_closure_trial_in_Bow.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener">the trials in Bow</a> came too soon after the conference to pick up on these ideas . </p>
<p>I note that Haringey LibDems have recently been boasting of their success in having motions passed, which by definition means the Labour leadership agrees with them on the Climate Emergency, LGBT education and school streets. Is that what is meant by "zero political will"?</p> The tension was from inconven…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-07-19:844301:Comment:11821532019-07-19T17:43:17.975ZRoryhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Rory
<p>The tension was from inconvenienced drivers who got very agitated while the reaction, largely, from the local community was incredibly positive. I would love something like Miniholland introduced in Wightman. I say it a lot. Our health: mental health and physical health comes second to the drivers passing through the borough. It’s unfair and absurd. Our life expectancy is curtailed to provide the convenience of drivers who don’t even live in Haringey and it has to stop. Also, we have…</p>
<p>The tension was from inconvenienced drivers who got very agitated while the reaction, largely, from the local community was incredibly positive. I would love something like Miniholland introduced in Wightman. I say it a lot. Our health: mental health and physical health comes second to the drivers passing through the borough. It’s unfair and absurd. Our life expectancy is curtailed to provide the convenience of drivers who don’t even live in Haringey and it has to stop. Also, we have something called a climate emergency, and this should also be addressed. It’s quite urgent, I understand. </p> You might be able to repurpos…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-07-19:844301:Comment:11820102019-07-19T12:08:34.317ZDave Whttps://harringayonline.com/profile/DaveWorley
<p>You might be able to repurpose the New River Path but at the moment that prohibits cycling.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the curvature of the flyover line between Hornsey and Harringay extends up to the railway boundary, I think, and the bridge over the Goblin is a pinch point.</p>
<p>But it is this sort of radical thinking that at least starts the conversation (everything gets watered down so why not open the bidding at a billion quid?). And Harringay station could do with a new bridge anyway...…</p>
<p>You might be able to repurpose the New River Path but at the moment that prohibits cycling.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the curvature of the flyover line between Hornsey and Harringay extends up to the railway boundary, I think, and the bridge over the Goblin is a pinch point.</p>
<p>But it is this sort of radical thinking that at least starts the conversation (everything gets watered down so why not open the bidding at a billion quid?). And Harringay station could do with a new bridge anyway... maybe Great Northern could spend some of that 15m quid on it. Probably be quicker to ride between FP and Ally Pally than get the train.....</p> and Turnpike Lanetag:harringayonline.com,2019-07-19:844301:Comment:11818192019-07-19T11:10:16.773ZEMC2https://harringayonline.com/profile/E290
<p>and Turnpike Lane</p>
<p>and Turnpike Lane</p> When Wightman Road was closed…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-07-19:844301:Comment:11818162019-07-19T11:07:58.613ZChris Barkerhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/ChrisBarker670
<p>When Wightman Road was closed there was an initial surge of traffic on Turnpike Lane but as all evidence shows this eases over time when drivers find alternative routes, use alternative means of transport or decide not to make the journey. Walthamstow is a good example of how that happens. So let's push for Wightman Road to be closed permanently for through traffic.</p>
<p>When Wightman Road was closed there was an initial surge of traffic on Turnpike Lane but as all evidence shows this eases over time when drivers find alternative routes, use alternative means of transport or decide not to make the journey. Walthamstow is a good example of how that happens. So let's push for Wightman Road to be closed permanently for through traffic.</p> why not during one rush hour…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-07-19:844301:Comment:11819942019-07-19T11:01:30.239ZLaurahttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Laura
<p>why not during one rush hour Monday to Friday?</p>
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<p>why not during one rush hour Monday to Friday?</p>
<p></p> This is a great idea but unfo…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-07-19:844301:Comment:11819782019-07-19T09:42:26.499ZKaren Alexanderhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/KarenAlexander81
<p>This is a great idea but unfortunately there is zero political will to do it. Look at the unfolding disaster on Wightman Road. The Labour council will never budge on this so there needs to be a political shift if anything meaningful is to be achieved. In Harringay ward unfortunately we have gone backwards politically - the loss of the two libdem councillors (me being one of them) in 2014 means there is no healthy local democracy to drive change. </p>
<p>Until we have a council who are open…</p>
<p>This is a great idea but unfortunately there is zero political will to do it. Look at the unfolding disaster on Wightman Road. The Labour council will never budge on this so there needs to be a political shift if anything meaningful is to be achieved. In Harringay ward unfortunately we have gone backwards politically - the loss of the two libdem councillors (me being one of them) in 2014 means there is no healthy local democracy to drive change. </p>
<p>Until we have a council who are open to driving change, are ambitious and courageous then we are stuck with what we have.</p> Can you explain what you mean…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-07-19:844301:Comment:11819692019-07-19T08:45:47.717ZDave Whttps://harringayonline.com/profile/DaveWorley
<p>Can you explain what you mean by “socially divisive”?</p>
<p>Can you explain what you mean by “socially divisive”?</p>