From Metpol - "Police were called at approximately 17:10hrs on Thursday, 27 December to reports of a van in collision with a pedestrian on High Street in Hornsey.The woman, 55, was taken to an east London hospital for treatment but she died there on Saturday, 29 December. Detectives from the Roads and Transport Policing Command would like to speak with anyone who witnessed the collision or who may have dash cam footage. Anyone with information is asked to call the Serious Collision Investigation Unit at Alperton on 020 8991 9555.
You're comparing an incident in 1970s rural America on a road with a speed limit of '45 or 50mph', to 2018 London where the speed limit is 20?
The whole point of 21st century urban speed limits is that no one should ever be killed on the roads. The onus is supposed to be on the motorist (and cyclist for that matter) to proceed in a manner which means they can avoid hitting pedestrians in the road under all but the most extreme circumstances.
Unfortunately the overwhelming majority of people consider driving 'safely' to simply mean not breaking the speed limit (and even that appears very open to interpretation) regardless of the circumstances.
As for the suggestion that this debate shouldn't happen out of respect for the victim, that smacks of the 'now's not the time to talk about gun control' whenever there's a mass shooting in the US.
Maybe stop using this lovely lady's death to rattle your old chains - have some respect.
Something to bear in mind -
I agree with Michaela
If that's for me, my meaning is bad things happen when nobody is at fault.
You yourself headlined the thread as an " accident ". An accident is something unexpected, a chance, that could not be foreseen, without blame or motive.
That is all I meant.
Quite clear thank you - except that I believe Michaela's comment was in response to John Mc, not me. As to your suggestion about empathy, I didn't know the lady nor her family but I do go along with " any man's death diminishes me ". It's very sad.
It was addressed to you ALL, using this awful incident to score points off each other.
Spiderman: "That's not what Rebecca was saying though, is it? She was just pointing out that all parties should be taking care, and I can't honestly see what's controversial about that."
The person operating the vehicle* should take more care because that is what kills and injures people. Any suggestion of equal responsibility ignores the fact that pedestrians may be young/elderly/blind/deaf etc.
*I'm predominantly a cyclist, and I include bikes in that.
Edit: The threading on this forum is terrible.
I didn't say equal responsibility, or even equal care. I just said that all parties should take care. Its a statement of the obvious.
Fair enough, I added 'equal' despite you not mentioning it. However I would still suggest that the overwhelming responsibility belongs to the motorist.
Please see this
To end this thread on a positive note ….
Tracey Wilson's funeral took place yesterday ( Friday ) at Holy Innocents church on Tottenham Lane, attended by over a thousand friends, former pupils, and people that she had helped in the course of her work with children at risk. The church was packed, with all the seating occupied and with standing room five deep at the rear.
Heartfelt, and at times humorous, at times emotional, eulogies testified to how deeply appreciated was the work of this lady in the community. She will be sadly missed. Requiescat In Pace Tracey.
Thank you, John, for this. Indeed Requiescat in Pace.
As I thought, Tracey doesn't seem like a woman who'd collide with a van!