Haringey Development Vehicle Dead - Harringay online2024-03-29T00:42:02Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/haringey-development-vehicle-dead?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A1075609&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWhere does this leave the jud…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-04-20:844301:Comment:10756092018-04-20T20:26:29.957ZRoslyn Byfieldhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/RoslynByfield
<p>Where does this leave the judicial review, which I think went to appeal? No need for them to take it further?</p>
<p>Where does this leave the judicial review, which I think went to appeal? No need for them to take it further?</p> No evidence of that in 2017 w…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-04-20:844301:Comment:10753172018-04-20T12:54:04.334ZAlan Stantonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AlanStanton
<p>No evidence of that in 2017 which I've heard about, Jake. <br></br><br></br>From what I saw in my own ward branch (Tottenham Hale) and heard from other branches, serious lessons were learned from 2013. There was great care taken in checking names, individual's ID and electoral registers.<br></br><br></br>But part of the disgrace in the 2013 selection in St Ann's was refusal by Labour apparatchiks regionally and nationally to carry out a proper investigation. And having done so, to decide whether or not to…</p>
<p>No evidence of that in 2017 which I've heard about, Jake. <br/><br/>From what I saw in my own ward branch (Tottenham Hale) and heard from other branches, serious lessons were learned from 2013. There was great care taken in checking names, individual's ID and electoral registers.<br/><br/>But part of the disgrace in the 2013 selection in St Ann's was refusal by Labour apparatchiks regionally and nationally to carry out a proper investigation. And having done so, to decide whether or not to instruct a re-run of the selection meeting.<br/><br/>But yes, Jake you're entirely right that vote rigging is much harder when there's now a huge membership.<br/><br/><strong>Declaration of Interest</strong><br/>My wife Zena Brabazon was a victim of the vote-rigging in St Ann's in 2013. Once again thanks to John McMullan for standing-up against malpractice.</p> And to think that in 2013 we…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-04-20:844301:Comment:10753132018-04-20T11:24:11.934ZJohn McMullanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/bogan72
<p>And to think that in 2013 we all wondered why they went to such lengths to fiddle the selections.</p>
<p>And to think that in 2013 we all wondered why they went to such lengths to fiddle the selections.</p> What concerns me most is that…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-04-20:844301:Comment:10755602018-04-20T11:16:30.542ZChris Setzhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/ChrisSetz
<p>What concerns me most is that this bad plan was steamrollered through. It was only because an election came round that it was defeated. Had it been embarked upon in the first few weeks of the election term, we would not have been able to stop it.</p>
<p>The Cllrs concerned, as usual, had pressure from the Leadership and access to a lot of detailed research, most of which was denied to us, partly because many of those with a view just don't have the time\interest to plough through the myriad…</p>
<p>What concerns me most is that this bad plan was steamrollered through. It was only because an election came round that it was defeated. Had it been embarked upon in the first few weeks of the election term, we would not have been able to stop it.</p>
<p>The Cllrs concerned, as usual, had pressure from the Leadership and access to a lot of detailed research, most of which was denied to us, partly because many of those with a view just don't have the time\interest to plough through the myriad of documents - why would they when we pay our Cllrs to do that for us?</p>
<p>I'm sure that the new crop of Labour Cllrs will never forget how they came to be elected and will try their hardest to obtain an equitable solution in a country still governed by nasty party decisions but what if they begin, say next year, to exhibit the same hubris?</p>
<p>They will be able to drive things through, certain they're 'right', having consulted the hell out of it etc. The difference is there won't be the national attention there was on the HDV error.</p>
<p>If any improvement is to be made, now is the time to do it. Are we going to have ballots on housing decisions, or not? How would that work, would HoLers get to vote in Northumberland Park?</p>
<p>We could press for <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_budgeting" target="_blank" rel="noopener">participatory budgeting</a>, so we all get a much more direct say in how the pot of cash is allocated among us. Online voting (though the Council website, where they know it's you casting your vote).</p>
<p>Will they do anything about this? No, they won't. They're all stuck in a 1950's mindset where they fear change, in a world where change, like our ever-changing weather, is one of the few constants. We seem stuck with "incremental change only" because it's far too risky to be radical and can never, almost by definition, bring the majority with it because people, given the chance, seem to long for stability and continuity - gradualism.</p>
<p>If only we could help create a Borough where most people actively accept our collective responsibility for dealing with our own problems, rather than only ever reacting (often with a sneer) to what others do on our behalf!</p>
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<p></p> Anyone continuing to vote Lab…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-04-20:844301:Comment:10753102018-04-20T11:12:27.033ZPenguinhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/richard249
Anyone continuing to vote Labour at council level in Haringey is mad.<br />
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We need a more balanced council in this borough, not one that feels that it can do whatever it likes because the populace are Labour 'lifers'<br />
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We need a healthy balanced mix of Greens, LibDems, Labour and Independents. Dare I say it, maybe even a couple of Tories.<br />
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(PS - I have voted for David Lammy for years!)
Anyone continuing to vote Labour at council level in Haringey is mad.<br />
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We need a more balanced council in this borough, not one that feels that it can do whatever it likes because the populace are Labour 'lifers'<br />
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We need a healthy balanced mix of Greens, LibDems, Labour and Independents. Dare I say it, maybe even a couple of Tories.<br />
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(PS - I have voted for David Lammy for years!) There's no point, Richard Ma…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-04-19:844301:Comment:10748302018-04-19T00:49:53.982ZAlan Stantonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AlanStanton
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<p>There's no point, Richard Matz. Constructive and informative contributions are unwelcome if it involves doing some reading and thinking of evidence and ideas.</p>
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<p>There's no point, Richard Matz. Constructive and informative contributions are unwelcome if it involves doing some reading and thinking of evidence and ideas.</p> What is so great about growth…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-04-18:844301:Comment:10748992018-04-18T18:40:27.274ZJohn Dhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/JohnD
<p>What is so great about growth ?</p>
<p>We're running as fast as we can to stay in the same place, and failing.</p>
<p>Growth has given us seas heaving with plastic bags, overcrowded schools, two-week waits to see a doctor, hospitals that can't cope, food banks, a housing crisis, people commuting for four hours a day on trains where you can't even get a seat, traffic-choked streets and poisonous air.</p>
<p>Growth is not the solution: it's the problem.</p>
<p>What is so great about growth ?</p>
<p>We're running as fast as we can to stay in the same place, and failing.</p>
<p>Growth has given us seas heaving with plastic bags, overcrowded schools, two-week waits to see a doctor, hospitals that can't cope, food banks, a housing crisis, people commuting for four hours a day on trains where you can't even get a seat, traffic-choked streets and poisonous air.</p>
<p>Growth is not the solution: it's the problem.</p> John D with another dreadful…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-04-18:844301:Comment:10748922018-04-18T16:17:36.022ZDTWhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/DTW
<p>John D with another dreadful argument. You follow that logic to its logical conclusion you wouldn’t bother with any growth anywhere at all.</p>
<p>If people like John et al had been the only people around 20,000 years ago we would never have decided to leave caves</p>
<p>John D with another dreadful argument. You follow that logic to its logical conclusion you wouldn’t bother with any growth anywhere at all.</p>
<p>If people like John et al had been the only people around 20,000 years ago we would never have decided to leave caves</p> where in Wood Green are there…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-04-18:844301:Comment:10749902018-04-18T15:47:25.011ZCon2https://harringayonline.com/profile/Con
<p>where in Wood Green are there yuppies renting?</p>
<p>where in Wood Green are there yuppies renting?</p> Where are the 20,000 workers…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-04-18:844301:Comment:10748892018-04-18T15:45:07.028ZJohn Dhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/JohnD
<p>Where are the 20,000 workers going to live ?</p>
<p>Not in Haringey, obviously, since there is a lack of housing. So they'll spend their money elsewhere.</p>
<p>Where are the 20,000 workers going to live ?</p>
<p>Not in Haringey, obviously, since there is a lack of housing. So they'll spend their money elsewhere.</p>