Haringey Reveals that Loss of Resident Parking Driven by Traders' Desire for More Customer Parking - Harringay online2024-03-29T15:25:35Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/haringey-reveals-that-loss-of-resident-parking-driven-by-traders?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A1226342&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIt seems they have done resea…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-03-27:844301:Comment:12271892020-03-27T16:09:46.511ZAndrewAW1https://harringayonline.com/profile/Andrew499
<p>It seems they have done research this time.</p>
<p>They asked the traders who told them they needed more parking spots...</p>
<p>It seems they have done research this time.</p>
<p>They asked the traders who told them they needed more parking spots...</p> I'd be more than happy for my…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-03-27:844301:Comment:12270892020-03-27T15:00:20.487Z0l7ft44vlytsehttps://harringayonline.com/xn/detail/u_0l7ft44vlytse
<p>I'd be more than happy for my road to be entirely mixed visitor/residence parking if there were no parking on Green Lanes.</p>
<p>I'd be more than happy for my road to be entirely mixed visitor/residence parking if there were no parking on Green Lanes.</p> Anecdotal conversations I've…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-03-26:844301:Comment:12268142020-03-26T20:24:23.094ZPeterPiperhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/PeterPiper
<p>Anecdotal conversations I've had with potential visitors suggest that they are put off visiting Grim Lanes for shopping or the restaurants <strong>because</strong> of the volumes of traffic. In particular they would not wish to purchase any of the fruit & vegetables which are on display outside premises, because it's an "<em>air quality area of focus</em>" recognised as such in LBH's "Air Quality Action Plan" (AQAP). The weekends are the worst, in particular Sunday afternoons, when there…</p>
<p>Anecdotal conversations I've had with potential visitors suggest that they are put off visiting Grim Lanes for shopping or the restaurants <strong>because</strong> of the volumes of traffic. In particular they would not wish to purchase any of the fruit & vegetables which are on display outside premises, because it's an "<em>air quality area of focus</em>" recognised as such in LBH's "Air Quality Action Plan" (AQAP). The weekends are the worst, in particular Sunday afternoons, when there are no parking restriction for anyone, visitor or resident, anyway. I stay well away at such times.</p>
<p>Strikes me that the 2 occasions when Green Lanes was really heaving was during the 2 Food Festivals when there was no traffic!! Didn't seem to put off the crowds then. The businesses with the aid of a part of the council are currently swimming against the tide and the same fate as befell the dinosaurs awaits them. Healthy living streets attract visitors, dying & decaying ones do not.</p>
<p>The evidence continues to mount of the dangers not only from CO2 for respiratory diseases, but also the micro & nano particles that lead to heart disease. It's not the mass of particles, it's the sheer number that are breathed in that causes immune systems to work overtime leading to increased incidencies of heart attacks and so forth. Another part of the council, responsible for public health & climate change issues is actively trying to cut air pollution. It would be good if they used their meagre funds in a joined up manner together rather than in opposition. One officer told me that transport (sustainable) & highways (parking do not work together. Go figure!</p>
<p>I'd recommend the excellent & easy to read book "The Invisible Killer" by Gary Fuller of Kings College, in particular Chapter 9, " Counting particles and the enigma of modern air pollution" to see how the evidence is building up. Less traffic & less particles could make Grim Lanes closer to it's correct historical name of Green Lanes, and attract more visitors using the excellent & varied public transport systems that already serve the high street.</p>
<p>On another matter, a mono cultural offering of restaurants etc., will only ever appeal to a small demographic, and who needs a motor vehicle to visit one of the multitude of jewellers? To bring in visitors, one first needs to have a diverse offering, something for everybody, not to limit the offering to a section. It's an issue of quality, not quantity. I really wonder if the people who enjoy eating & drinking along the pavements during the warmer months with the motor vehicles grinding along beside their plates of food know how unwise this is for their health.</p>
<p>On a lighter note, an upside from the 'lockdown' if there is such a thing, must be the improved quality of air.</p>
<p>At the end of the day though, these dual parking bays can already be used by visitors who wish to pay by phone. The impact will be solely felt by residents only. I'm continually minded to take my custom away because of these attitudes and I only have my 2 legs, so I consider I don't have a vested interested in this matter, but I want to breathe cleaner air. How about the council supporting residents, old & young to breathe clean air & not just businesses & their motorised clients & customers?</p> Mmm, pretty poor show. It’s d…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-03-26:844301:Comment:12269622020-03-26T18:00:41.089ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>Mmm, pretty poor show. It’s difficult to imagine that they’re unaware of the substantial body of respectable research that says the exact opposite. </p>
<p>Mmm, pretty poor show. It’s difficult to imagine that they’re unaware of the substantial body of respectable research that says the exact opposite. </p> If anyone is curious about th…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-03-26:844301:Comment:12268982020-03-26T17:42:48.558ZAndrewAW1https://harringayonline.com/profile/Andrew499
<p>If anyone is curious about the level of research that the council does on this kind of decision, this is what they said when questioned about the rationale behind free parking spaces for small business Saturday:</p>
<blockquote>Haringey Council supports Small Business Saturday. It is a commitment of the Council in the draft Business Pledge within the draft Borough Plan. The free parking element of SBS is a specific request of traders which we will review before committing to it again next…</blockquote>
<p>If anyone is curious about the level of research that the council does on this kind of decision, this is what they said when questioned about the rationale behind free parking spaces for small business Saturday:</p>
<blockquote>Haringey Council supports Small Business Saturday. It is a commitment of the Council in the draft Business Pledge within the draft Borough Plan. The free parking element of SBS is a specific request of traders which we will review before committing to it again next year in the context of additional measures the Council is considering in support of high street traders and the December SBS initiative. No research has been carried out on the impact of the parking concession. However, SBS overall is monitored and all high street trader groups involved have reported increased footfall, improved consumer spend and positive engagement by local residents in the initiative.</blockquote> Thanks!tag:harringayonline.com,2020-03-26:844301:Comment:12267992020-03-26T17:31:52.532Zmaggiehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/maggie20
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Thanks!</p> It's in para 4 of the attachm…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-03-26:844301:Comment:12267802020-03-26T12:05:45.595ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>It's in para 4 of the attachment at the bottom of my post - traffic.orders@haringey.gov.uk</p>
<p>It's in para 4 of the attachment at the bottom of my post - traffic.orders@haringey.gov.uk</p> Two separate things are happe…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-03-26:844301:Comment:12266912020-03-26T11:08:44.996ZMaddyhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/SleepingBeauty
<p>Two separate things are happening at the same time:</p>
<p>1) a temporary halt on enforcement of parking restrictions due to the CV crisis.</p>
<p>2) An attempt by the council to slip in while everyone's attention is elsewhere a terrible proposal that would squeeze available parking (for which we pay annually, remember) at the GL end of the streets, just as it has already been squeezed at the Wightman road end. Because I live close to GL there is already a problem of people temporarily…</p>
<p>Two separate things are happening at the same time:</p>
<p>1) a temporary halt on enforcement of parking restrictions due to the CV crisis.</p>
<p>2) An attempt by the council to slip in while everyone's attention is elsewhere a terrible proposal that would squeeze available parking (for which we pay annually, remember) at the GL end of the streets, just as it has already been squeezed at the Wightman road end. Because I live close to GL there is already a problem of people temporarily waiting in resident and disabled spaces, even blocking the entrance to a carpark, while someone pops to the shop/takeaway/chemist. No-one seems willing to park at the Arena and walk down to GL, or even find a space nearby (in the Gardens, for example, where they easily could put more pay-and-display bays on the 'across' streets.)</p> At least they've had the grac…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-03-26:844301:Comment:12266832020-03-26T10:03:32.227ZDave Whttps://harringayonline.com/profile/DaveWorley
<p>At least they've had the grace to admit it.</p>
<p>... But that's about it.</p>
<p>At least they've had the grace to admit it.</p>
<p>... But that's about it.</p> Hi Hugh, where do we submit c…tag:harringayonline.com,2020-03-26:844301:Comment:12267652020-03-26T09:50:19.611Zmaggiehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/maggie20
<p>Hi Hugh, where do we submit comments to the council, I can't find it, any chance of a link? Thanks.</p>
<p>Hi Hugh, where do we submit comments to the council, I can't find it, any chance of a link? Thanks.</p>