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Over on another thread, a discussion started about the origins of the Woodberry Down name. This happened to coincide with some occasional research I've started doing recently on the Woodberry Down area.

Till relatively recently I'd always thought that Woodberry Down was a council confection to sugar the pill of a fairly brutal looking council estate. It doesn't take much rooting around to discover that this was a very incorrect assumption.

In fact, in extreme contrast to its character for the second half of the twentieth century, Woodberry Down was developed as a home to the wealthy. It included some huge houses with gardens stretching from Seven Sisters Road down to the New River. Here's a potted history I added to Wikipedia some years back. 

That entry ends explaining the radical change the area experienced about seventy years ago:

With the increasing suburbanisation of the area, mainly for the middle and lower middle classes, many of the original families had moved out by 1895 and others were being replaced by poorer people in 1913. Social decline continued, until in 1954 the district was inhabited mainly by students, foreigners, and the working class, with most houses containing four or five families and all in decay

You'll note that this text is on the entry for Manor House, London, rather than for Woodberry Down. This is another classic London story of 'What's my neighbourhood's name'.

In Victorian times, the area from Manor House Junction, north and south to the New River (as it loops around) and east as far as South Tottenham was widely known as Woodberry Down. After the building of the council estate given the name "Woodberry Down Estate" however, 'Woodberry Down' fell out of fashion as a name for the wider area, the majority of which had been subsumed by the estate anyway.

With the 'regeneration' of the area, Berkley Homes have clearly decided that they like the name and so it is experiencing something of a revival. I was keen to learn if this was just property developer's hype or whether there were any local roots to the name. So I started digging around.

The earliest reference I have to the history of the name so far is from The Survey And Valuation of The Manor of Stoke Newington in 1649. I found the following two excerpts:

One parcel of Pasture Ground, called by the name of Berrie Downs, in the occupation of Mr. Leverett, abutting on Mr. Chace's land on the north, containing by estimation 21 acres, which we value, to be worth per ann. £35.

One parcel of Wood Ground, called by the name of Berrie Down Wood, in the occupation of Colonel Alexander Popham, abutting on the New River on  the north, containing by estimation 5 acres which we value to be worth per ann 35s.

The next reference is from a 1734 map of the demesne lands of Stoke Newington Manor. It shows 'Wood Berry Downs Meadow'. Next to it it shows 'South Berry Meadow' and 'North Berry Meadow'. The common name here obviously was 'Berry'. Fascinatingly for me, ancestry.co.uk seems to think that 'berry' would have referred a 'fortified manor house'. 

As in many old maps, 'north is not up'. In this case east is at the top of the page.

With regards to the other part of the name, 'down', my understanding is that it refers to an area of rolling, grassy, treeless upland used for grazing.

An 1844 map suggests that a century after the demesne map the wider area had taken on the 'Woodberry Down' name.

Excerpts from old Ordnance Survey maps showing the northern part of the old borough of Stoke Newington

So Woodberry Down certainly seems to have authentic local roots. As to 'Manor House', I've always been interested in how tube and train stations get their names. This case has proved the tipping point for me to actually try and get some hard information on this. I asked StephenBln if he could help and within a few hours his network is pointing towards the LU Design & Heritage Manager. So it sounds like we might get closer to an answer. I'm sure that one of us will report back on the findings.

In the meantime however, it seems that whether by intention or accident, London Underground's naming of the tube station as Manor House may not have been far off the historical mark.

See some images of old Woodberry Down here.

And of course, this is a great opportunity to remind you that on 1st May. the London Wildlife Trust is re-opeinung Woodberry Wetlands as an all-singing all-dancing wetlands nature reserve. Information about free opening weekend tours here.

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Or it could be like the Harringay / Harringay Green Lanes / Green Lanes thing?

Very interesting research. It is likely that E A Poe walked this area when he was schooled locally, maybe it gave him inspiration for some of his works.

Yes, Poe was at Manor House School on Church street and a fictional version of that establishment certainly found its way into one of his novels. A hero's welcome to anyone who can find Woodberry Down in his works.

There's also a Woodberry Down (commercial-no shop) bakery on Crowland Rd N15

Again,  I assumed it was just a fabricated name in order to make the products seem more bucolic but no, seems there's actual history there .

Woodberry Down Bakers also had a shop at Manor House, was still there when I left the U.K. It was a jewish bakery, open on Sundays.

Can just about be seen of this photo of Manor House 1961 

I guess this was the original outlet.

That would explain the name then!

There is a still a Jewish bakery there.

Yes, though I think standards seem to have dropped since WDBL days.

I remember the bakery so well - in the 50's we used to buy Everest ice lollies in there, they tasted different to Walls ices etc.  The other shop that can be seen in the picture is Pearks - where in the 50's we bought all our grocery items.

DueDil has the following:

Woodberry Down Bakeries Limited was incorporated on 11 Jan 1954. The company's status is listed as "Dissolved" and it had 2 directors at the time it closed. Woodberry Down Bakeries Limited does not have any subsidiaries.

Their official trading address was 146 High Road, N15. That's just in front of 2A Crowland. It seems they were a kosher bakery. Run by Eizak and Dorothy Gottesfeld, it was set-up in 1954. I wonder if the name owed more to the then new Woodberry Down than the old one?

Well, George Woodbury wrote the two volume biography of Poe in 1909.

There is a slight reference to the area in his short story 'William Wilson' which was published in 1849. The house is Manor House School which was located at 172 Stoke Newington Church Street.

"The house, I have said, was old and irregular. The grounds were extensive, and a high and solid brick wall, topped with a bed of mortar and broken glass, encompassed the whole. This prison-like rampart formed the limit of our domain; beyond it we saw but thrice a week -- once every Saturday afternoon, when, attended by two ushers, we were permitted to take brief walks in a body through some of the neighbouring fields -- and twice during Sunday, when we were paraded in the same formal manner to the morning and evening service in the one church of the village"



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