Is Encouraging Car use the Best Way for Haringey Council to Support Small Business Saturday? - Harringay online2024-03-28T17:43:15Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/is-encouraging-car-use-the-best-way-for-haringey-council-to-suppo?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A1143739&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAnd I suspect that traders ar…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-01-08:844301:Comment:11437392019-01-08T11:08:05.450ZMichael Andersonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/17bathgate
<p>And I suspect that traders are very interested in the opportunity to park their own vehicles without charge. </p>
<p>Some real data on this that shows the balance of loss of iparking income versus increased takings would seem a good idea. What happened to the idea of evidence based decision instead of relying on hearsay?</p>
<p>And I suspect that traders are very interested in the opportunity to park their own vehicles without charge. </p>
<p>Some real data on this that shows the balance of loss of iparking income versus increased takings would seem a good idea. What happened to the idea of evidence based decision instead of relying on hearsay?</p> I suspect when they say "over…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-01-08:844301:Comment:11439112019-01-08T10:37:05.115ZAndrewAW1https://harringayonline.com/profile/Andrew499
<p>I suspect when they say "overall" they do mean Haringey. However, I suspect that when they say "monitored" it means a few traders have said to them, that was good, same again next year.</p>
<p>I suspect when they say "overall" they do mean Haringey. However, I suspect that when they say "monitored" it means a few traders have said to them, that was good, same again next year.</p> Look hard at what he actually…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-01-07:844301:Comment:11438532019-01-07T13:41:30.316ZMichael Andersonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/17bathgate
<p>Look hard at what he actually says “SBS (Small Business Saturday) is monitored overall ....” </p>
<p>When the scheme was announced (it national) I looked at what some other places were doing. They included free bus services to shopping areas, street closures, street entertainment, pavement cafe tables moved on to roads, celebrity appearances. In other words, tons of stuff that would make people come to an area which of course improved footfall when a local authority pulled its finger out…</p>
<p>Look hard at what he actually says “SBS (Small Business Saturday) is monitored overall ....” </p>
<p>When the scheme was announced (it national) I looked at what some other places were doing. They included free bus services to shopping areas, street closures, street entertainment, pavement cafe tables moved on to roads, celebrity appearances. In other words, tons of stuff that would make people come to an area which of course improved footfall when a local authority pulled its finger out and did something interesting for people to enjoy. We get free f***ing parking.</p> Thanks for this, really inter…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-01-07:844301:Comment:11439472019-01-07T13:24:13.846ZItsjonohttps://harringayonline.com/profile/Itsjono
<p>Thanks for this, really interesting response, especially;</p>
<p>"No research has<span> </span>been carried out on the impact of the parking concession. However, SBS<span> </span>overall is monitored and all high street trader groups involved have<span> </span>reported increased footfall, improved consumer spend and positive<span> </span>engagement by local residents in the initiative."</p>
<p>Which is contrary to the actual research which shows reducing parking availability and improving…</p>
<p>Thanks for this, really interesting response, especially;</p>
<p>"No research has<span> </span>been carried out on the impact of the parking concession. However, SBS<span> </span>overall is monitored and all high street trader groups involved have<span> </span>reported increased footfall, improved consumer spend and positive<span> </span>engagement by local residents in the initiative."</p>
<p>Which is contrary to the actual research which shows reducing parking availability and improving the experience of visiting for pedestrians and cyclists leads to a dramatic uptick in footfall and turnover.</p>
<p>When Waltham Forest, prior to creating their mini-Holland schemes, surveyed shop owners and shoppers, it was clear that shop owners vastly (x2) over-estimate the percentage of customers arriving by car, and valued easy parking much more than actual shoppers. Similar results found in Toronto and New York. But Haringey is special, clearly.</p> Turns out the free parking wa…tag:harringayonline.com,2019-01-07:844301:Comment:11436822019-01-07T12:57:10.933ZAndrewAW1https://harringayonline.com/profile/Andrew499
<p>Turns out the free parking was at the request of the traders and the council hadn't put any thought into whether it would be a plus or not</p>
<p><a href="https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/evidence_for_the_economic_benefi" target="_blank">https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/evidence_for_the_economic_benefi</a></p>
<p>I've said it numerous times over the years but whilst the traders on Green Lanes hold so much sway there will never be the political will to improve Green Lanes for the…</p>
<p>Turns out the free parking was at the request of the traders and the council hadn't put any thought into whether it would be a plus or not</p>
<p><a href="https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/evidence_for_the_economic_benefi" target="_blank">https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/evidence_for_the_economic_benefi</a></p>
<p>I've said it numerous times over the years but whilst the traders on Green Lanes hold so much sway there will never be the political will to improve Green Lanes for the residents (or anyone other than car drivers). I think the nadir was when they were pushing for the bus lane to be removed for more parking (which fortunately TFL saw off) but we've clearly not moved on much.</p> This is what the Council I wo…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-11-30:844301:Comment:11370182018-11-30T15:03:33.748ZAntoinettehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AntoinetteVCarter
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</div> I hadn't really thought about…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-11-30:844301:Comment:11370702018-11-30T14:32:09.317ZHughhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/hjuk
<p>I hadn't really thought about this issue much previously. Apparently Haringey Cyclists have been writing to the Council about it for several years but have never received a reply (obviously not writing via the FOI route). After I published this post there seems to have been quite few people interested. Perhaps I'd just never noticed before. </p>
<p>I hadn't really thought about this issue much previously. Apparently Haringey Cyclists have been writing to the Council about it for several years but have never received a reply (obviously not writing via the FOI route). After I published this post there seems to have been quite few people interested. Perhaps I'd just never noticed before. </p> I have noticed that there are…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-11-30:844301:Comment:11370662018-11-30T13:31:17.941ZAntoinettehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AntoinetteVCarter
<p>I have noticed that there are a couple of FOI requests in at Haringey for information about this.</p>
<p>1. Evidence for the economic benefits of free parking for Small Business Saturday</p>
<p><a href="https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/evidence_for_the_economic_benefi#incoming-1272652" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/evidence_for_the_economic_be...</a></p>
<p>2. How does the council come to the conclusion businesses need free parking on…</p>
<p>I have noticed that there are a couple of FOI requests in at Haringey for information about this.</p>
<p>1. Evidence for the economic benefits of free parking for Small Business Saturday</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/evidence_for_the_economic_benefi#incoming-1272652" target="_blank">https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/evidence_for_the_economic_be...</a></p>
<p>2. How does the council come to the conclusion businesses need free parking on 1st december, to boost sales</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/how_does_the_council_come_to_the#incoming-1272441" target="_blank">https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/how_does_the_council_come_to...</a></p>
<p>Be interesting to see the responses when they come in.....</p> Don't think we hadn't spotted…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-11-30:844301:Comment:11367972018-11-30T13:27:09.484ZAntoinettehttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AntoinetteVCarter
<p>Don't think we hadn't spotted the No. 29 bendy bus! Those were the days!</p>
<p>Don't think we hadn't spotted the No. 29 bendy bus! Those were the days!</p> That all sounds like a lot of…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-11-30:844301:Comment:11370632018-11-30T13:23:37.629Z0l7ft44vlytsehttps://harringayonline.com/xn/detail/u_0l7ft44vlytse
<p>That all sounds like a lot of effort, forgoing parking charges just means not paying a parking warden for a day</p>
<p>That all sounds like a lot of effort, forgoing parking charges just means not paying a parking warden for a day</p>