Not sure when it was done but it’s very recent. I counted over a dozen PKK symbols from the bridge to burgoyne road on both sides. And this has happened before.
This puts shame on the local Kurdish Community, the ‘community centre’ being just a stones throw away from the vandalism. Will they pay towards the thousands of pounds this will cost to remove? I very much doubt it.
I rather thought I would get that pushback. Unfortunately the newest pictures were taken in the sun and the oldest ones were taken when it was cloudy. There is nothing I can do about that. But it’s not just the sun. If you take the first picture, it’s quite clear that the Salisbury has been much improved. That was done in around 2011. The part of Grand Parade up to Winkworth has been really improved. All the frontage of the buildings have been cleaned and repointed. In the third photo I think it shows the rather tatty shops there used to be 10 years ago compared with the rather nice shops we have now. Yes it’s not Crouch End and I’m probably rather glad of that, but the physical environment has certainly improved a lot in 10 years.
What do you think has got worse?
Hugh as a relatively recent resident I don't really know whether or not it's become worse but I think in absolute terms the rubbish, grime and anti social behaviour situation is certainly wanting.
The place is a whole lot better since 2001 when I moved in.
I wonder if people are guilty of forgetting that the local authority's budget has been massively cut so what used to be swept up wiped away is now left.
On the PKK issue, no one seems to mind that they are fighting ISIS in Syria and Iraq.
PKK is officially designated terrorist organisation by NATO, US state department, and UK government. The police should inform and work with the NaCSTO to identify the culprit and any individuals supporting the PKK. Organisations like the PKK rely on the patronage of regular people and businesses (as well as some sovereign states) so I won't be surprised if some of that support comes from the area given its ethnic make up.
As I've said earlier, they were added to that list by NATO "member" Turkey. I prefer to judge these outfits by what they do and fighting ISIS makes them good guys to me.
I know its tempting to think that the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' but don't be under the illusion that the PKK are good guys.
Jake, there's a Kurdish Community Centre in the Gardens, not far from Harringay Green Lanes station. I have no idea whether they're pro PKK / Ocalan / graffiti or not.
Not that graffiti in its vicinity suddenly makes the whole Kurdish community responsible for it.
Just like one penguin lacking critical thinking skills shouldn't lead us to cast aspersions on all penguins.
Turkish nationalism is an ugly beast and your post is part of it. You're not concerned about graffiti, you want to link the PKK to terrorism. Armenian genocide killed a million in 1916-7. Greeks were attacked in1950s, Cyprus invaded in 1960s. Peaceful (mainly Kurdish) Syrian Afrin province invaded from Turkey last year by jihadi mercenaries doing sultan Erdogan's dirty work. PKK exists to defend Kurds against Turkish nationalist and Islamic fascism promoted by Erdogan. They use the Kurds as an enemy just like Hitler used the jews. You say terrorist, we say liberator. Most Turks settled in the UK are glad to get away from it, so why are you stirring it up? Instead of worry about graffiti, why don't you concern yourself with the fact that the Turkish state imprisons more journalists than any other country? Lastly why not keep international political issues out of Harringay online.
"Lastly why not keep international political issues out of Harringay online." <- the Kurd's are effectively locals and we discuss their political situation a fair amount really. A quick search on HoL for "kurds" brings up a LOAD of hits: here.
PKK aint Terrorists.
Ive known some members and that are good lefties. Help anyone in trouble.