Proposed Safety and Accessibility Improvements for Wightman Road and Alroy Road Public Consultation - Harringay online2024-03-29T12:20:38Zhttps://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/proposed-safety-and-accessibility-improvements-for-wightman-road-?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A1101563&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIn the 1970s it was a T-junct…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-07-29:844301:Comment:11015632018-07-29T15:51:19.089ZGordon Thttps://harringayonline.com/profile/GordonT
<p>In the 1970s it was a T-junction and traffic would back up on Wightman Road southbound every morning, so there was a campaign for traffic lights, which I recall was turned down by Haringey on grounds of overall reduced traffic flow (which would be even more reduced now with the compulsory 'all green' phase), hence the mini-roundabout instead. </p>
<p>In the 1970s it was a T-junction and traffic would back up on Wightman Road southbound every morning, so there was a campaign for traffic lights, which I recall was turned down by Haringey on grounds of overall reduced traffic flow (which would be even more reduced now with the compulsory 'all green' phase), hence the mini-roundabout instead. </p> Always thought that junction…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-07-29:844301:Comment:11013172018-07-29T15:34:51.816Zmatthttps://harringayonline.com/profile/mburge
Always thought that junction is too small for a roundabout. Although not particularly popular it needs a traffic lights system installed to make it safe for pedestrians, cyclists & drivers.
Always thought that junction is too small for a roundabout. Although not particularly popular it needs a traffic lights system installed to make it safe for pedestrians, cyclists & drivers. Agreed. I use them every day…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-07-29:844301:Comment:11013112018-07-29T14:42:00.258ZProtheroe O'Sheahttps://harringayonline.com/profile/TunbridgeWells
<p>Agreed. I use them every day and they are worse than hopeless they're dangerous. </p>
<p>Agreed. I use them every day and they are worse than hopeless they're dangerous. </p> The informal red crossings at…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-07-29:844301:Comment:11012982018-07-29T10:19:02.443ZMaddyhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/SleepingBeauty
<p>The informal red crossings at the Endymion/Alroy roundabout definitely do not work - yesterday I stopped to allow a man with a child in a pushchair to cross, but the person coming the other way stopped ON the red crossing, holding up traffic, in order to berate the man for crossing there! I don't think anyone has a clue what they mean, and you can't necessarily see before you turn the corner that there is any kind of crossing there.</p>
<p>I think there should be two new zebra crossings: one…</p>
<p>The informal red crossings at the Endymion/Alroy roundabout definitely do not work - yesterday I stopped to allow a man with a child in a pushchair to cross, but the person coming the other way stopped ON the red crossing, holding up traffic, in order to berate the man for crossing there! I don't think anyone has a clue what they mean, and you can't necessarily see before you turn the corner that there is any kind of crossing there.</p>
<p>I think there should be two new zebra crossings: one a few metres in from the roundabout on Alroy and one north of it on Endymion before the bend - they would be clearly visible from all directions because of the belisha beacons.</p>
<p>More generally we need a 'priority for pedestrians at junctions' rule - they have had it this France for years, though how generally it is observed I don't know.</p> A couple of weeks ago I poste…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-07-24:844301:Comment:11002602018-07-24T13:51:19.504ZAlan Stantonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/AlanStanton
<p>A couple of weeks ago I posted a link on this thread to Clive Carter's photos, aerial views, and other information about Wightman Road. Clive has now done some further work and there's a more direct link to an album he made, called <strong>"Designing in Danger"</strong> <em>(DiD)</em></p>
<p>Here's the <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/23097244@N02/albums/72157698293206974" rel="nofollow">link</a> (also set out in full below) which goes directly to the <em>DiD</em> Album. This is…</p>
<p>A couple of weeks ago I posted a link on this thread to Clive Carter's photos, aerial views, and other information about Wightman Road. Clive has now done some further work and there's a more direct link to an album he made, called <strong>"Designing in Danger"</strong> <em>(DiD)</em></p>
<p>Here's the <a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/23097244@N02/albums/72157698293206974">link</a> (also set out in full below) which goes directly to the <em>DiD</em> Album. This is <span style="text-decoration: underline;">solely</span> about Wightman Road.</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/23097244@N02/albums/72157698293206974">https://www.flickr.com/photos/23097244@N02/albums/72157698293206974</a></p> Pedestrians had been "impedin…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-07-24:844301:Comment:11000932018-07-24T11:17:55.545ZMichael Andersonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/17bathgate
<p><span><i>Pedestrians had been "impeding traffic and causing too many accidents and deaths", one traffic police official said</i></span></p>
<p>Perhaps change to</p>
<p><i>Traffic had been "impeding pedestrians and causing too many accidents and deaths"</i></p>
<p><span><i>Pedestrians had been "impeding traffic and causing too many accidents and deaths", one traffic police official said</i></span></p>
<p>Perhaps change to</p>
<p><i>Traffic had been "impeding pedestrians and causing too many accidents and deaths"</i></p> There is a whole wonderful po…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-07-24:844301:Comment:11002542018-07-24T10:45:50.799ZJohn McMullanhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/bogan72
<p>There is a whole wonderful posting on that particular bit of British law and its home in Harringay <a href="http://www.harringayonline.com/photo/pedestrian-crossing-experiment" target="_blank" rel="noopener">here</a>.</p>
<p>I think everyone should read this BBC <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26073797" target="_blank" rel="noopener">article</a> about jay-walking too.</p>
<p>There is a whole wonderful posting on that particular bit of British law and its home in Harringay <a href="http://www.harringayonline.com/photo/pedestrian-crossing-experiment" target="_blank" rel="noopener">here</a>.</p>
<p>I think everyone should read this BBC <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26073797" target="_blank" rel="noopener">article</a> about jay-walking too.</p> Please don't use the term 'ja…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-07-24:844301:Comment:10999942018-07-24T09:18:56.839Z26mhcx4vtb0rbhttps://harringayonline.com/xn/detail/u_26mhcx4vtb0rb
<p>Please don't use the term 'jay-walking'. It implies pedestrians are crossing illegally, which isn't the case because it doesn't exist in British law.</p>
<p>Only think I can think about the timing of the lights is that there's must be a minimum amount of time since traffic was last stopped. If you're unlucky enough to press the button before this has elapsed, you have to wait.</p>
<p>Please don't use the term 'jay-walking'. It implies pedestrians are crossing illegally, which isn't the case because it doesn't exist in British law.</p>
<p>Only think I can think about the timing of the lights is that there's must be a minimum amount of time since traffic was last stopped. If you're unlucky enough to press the button before this has elapsed, you have to wait.</p> I think a crossing point at t…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-07-24:844301:Comment:10999932018-07-24T08:51:14.061ZMaddyhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/SleepingBeauty
<p>I think a crossing point at the top of every Ladder road would just encourage drivers to ignore them all - if drivers customarily speed up to get through Zebra crossings, then surely the same would apply to 'informal' crossings (if anyone knew what they were in the first place). Better to have an good sprinkling of zebras and pelicans, which would slow the traffic down overall.</p>
<p>On a separate point, why does it take so long for the pelican crossings on Green Lanes to change after you…</p>
<p>I think a crossing point at the top of every Ladder road would just encourage drivers to ignore them all - if drivers customarily speed up to get through Zebra crossings, then surely the same would apply to 'informal' crossings (if anyone knew what they were in the first place). Better to have an good sprinkling of zebras and pelicans, which would slow the traffic down overall.</p>
<p>On a separate point, why does it take so long for the pelican crossings on Green Lanes to change after you press the button? They all allow traffic to keep moving for a good few minutes before they change to green for pedestrians, even when the road is either slow moving or sparse. It gives the wrong message - that pedestrians are much lower pritority than moving traffic - and encourages jay-walking. Who can I contact about this?</p>
<p></p> Even if it is raised and pain…tag:harringayonline.com,2018-07-24:844301:Comment:11002462018-07-24T08:03:44.177ZMichael Andersonhttps://harringayonline.com/profile/17bathgate
<p>Even if it is raised and painted red I do wonder if drivers will see this as a way of highlighting the change in highway treatment rather than a crossing.</p>
<p>Even if it is raised and painted red I do wonder if drivers will see this as a way of highlighting the change in highway treatment rather than a crossing.</p>