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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

I was in Harringay Green Lanes this morning and thought it would be nice to stop & have a coffee outside one of the many coffee shops there. But at every place I stopped I was greeted by a blue pall of foul-smelling tobacco smoke emanating from the armies of smokers sitting outside every one of them. Thinking it would be better inside, I ventured into one such shop but it being a windy day, it was even more smoky inside.

I thought it was against the law to smoke in or near public places? Pubs these days certainly seem to interpret and comply with the law far better than the Green Lanes establishments. It's s shame really since a lot of would-be customers must be put off by having to sit inhaling someone else's dirty habits - or do these places only cater for this type of clientele? I suspect the latter.

I went home in the end & made myself a coffee there but it's not the same. Shame.

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No, it's illegal to smoke inside. Outside is fine. Wind isn't under the control of the proprietor so it's exempt from it's effect.

My god you saying you were offended because people were smoking on the street.

Give us smokers a break.

Oh come on. 

Understandably you can't smoke inside but outside. You cannot be serious? 

My comment was directed at the original post not at you. 

How can you sit outside on a nice sunny day and enjoy a coffee in a fug? It might be gusty but even so there's the ever present pong of fags. Hate to think what these places are like on still days.

It's ironic that when you want to enjoy fresh air it's outside where you have to endure the stink of smoke. As an ex smoker I have zero sympathy for smokers. They need to pack it in and end tobacco addiction forever. 

As an ex-smoker and a tolerant human being I have no problem with other people enjoying their pleasures.

But I do have a problem with the anti-smoking fascists and their exaggerations. " blue pall of ….smoke":

" armies of smokers ".

Explain to us how it was possible for a blue pall to hang around on a windy day.

When the wind is blowing on a gusty day it does disperse the smoke I agree - mostly into the shop. But when it drops, smoke from maybe a dozen, 15 or 20 smokers hangs around in the air and don't forget, the outdoor seating is at least partly sheltered from the weather so it's semi-indoors really.

Maybe I should stick to pubs, yee ha!

But it was ok when you were a smoker? 

Typical ex smoker attitude. Because you decided to quit everyone else has to follow suit. 

I've never been a smoker in my life but never have I cursed anyone for following the laws of the land while they sit outside with a fag!

It's not unreasonable of smokers to smoke outside and equally it's not unreasonable of non smokers to wish for smoke free outside space.

Narrow pavements and small shopfronts are a given. Whose rights should come first? A big pub garden would be another matter entirely. 

Personally I wish no one smoked on narrow pavements at all, not because of some new law but because it's just good manners. Exhaled smoke is effectively waste and it's only polite to be conscious of where it's going or collecting. There's no reason anyone should be exposed to it if they didn't generate it themselves. One doesn't fling banana peels in people's faces after all. 

There are far too many inconsiderate smokers who don't care where their smoke goes. About 3 in 10 try to avoid smoke being blown into a child's face, in my (personal, anecdotal) experience. Yes, #notallsmokers, I know.

That's before getting to the issue of the number of smokers that don't consider cigarette butts to be litter... 

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