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Love Your Local Market is a celebration of our market culture here in the UK that happens over a fortnight in May 13th – 27th

This year its all about encouraging the youth into the market place by starting up businesses and trying their ideas out at their local markets.

To celebrate loveyourlocalmarket.org.uk fortnight May 13th – 27th Chestnuts Market are offering 8 to 10 young entrepreneurs a start up table top stall for £10 a pitch for two weeks. (thats Sunday 17th & 24th) Those who enjoy and do well may stay at Chestnuts Market as a regular stall holder and develop their brand with our help.

If you know a budding young entrepreneur aged between 13 - 25 years who would love this get in touch asap!! chestnuts_market@hotmail.com

Craft/vintage/design/produce/makers/arts/etc (Sorry no cakes please)

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 (No need for Public Liability GM Imber are providing insurance cover the fortnight for test traders)

More reading/ideas.

YOUTH ZONE at Love Your Local Market

Love Your Local Market is a celebration of our market culture here in the UK that happens over a fortnight in May.  Over 900 markets took part last year, putting on over nearly 7,000 events.  LYLM is also all about entrepreneurship and since we started in 2012 the markets industry has pledged over 10,000 pitches to new traders.

It all started in 2012 amidst growing alarm for the future of our nations High Streets when the idea of a National Market Day was proposed alongside the governments High Street Review.  With markets held on so many days throughout the month however, loads would have been left out, which was when Love Your Local Market fortnight was born …… and four years later we are still celebrating.

Markets have a long-standing place in the towns, cities and villages of the British Isles.  They were the cornerstone of every major settlement throughout our history, with people bringing in goods to trade from surrounding settlements in order to feed themselves, but also the citizens of the conurbations they visited.  Market day still holds a special place in the hearts of people from all walks of life, as a place to shop but also to socialise, meet up with acquaintances and catch up on some gossip.

Todays markets are seeing something of a revival in fortunes.  With shoppers wary of long supply chains, emphasised in the 2013 horse meat scandal, we are turning once more to our butchers, bakers and other more traditional outlets, tempted by the assurance of provence in the goods we are buying, but also to see a friendly face and to support our local businesses.  Love Your Local Market has been devised to herald the changes and to make shoppers aware of what is on offer on their doorstep.

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Why don't you get in touch with Park View secondary school 5 mins walk away. They may be interested to promote./ liaise with you....

thanks Lisa will do xx

639 enterprise Centre are a london youth support trust here on Seven Sisters road. They are a charity who work with local businesses and projects to provide enrtrepeunerial and volunteering opportunities for our young people. 0208 619 1070

Brilliant- thanks so much!!!!! will call xx cheers Sharon

Sharon, As far as I know London Youth Support Trust (LYST) has two Tottenham offices. One is at 639 High Road; the second next to the College of Haringey, Enfield, and North East London (formerly CONEL) in Town Hall Approach Road, N15. I wasn't aware of a third on Seven Sisters Road.

As for "National Market Day", I'm curious about the rationale for this and the link made with small local markets. The idea for a special "Day" seems to originate in the 2011 Mary Portas Review of High Streets. (Pages 23/24).  Including her proposal about renting "a stall for a tenner".  Eric Pickles launched the National Market Day in June 2012.

Do any HoL members know of an independent evaluation of these initiatives? 

Because my impression is that contrary to the notion of a "revival in fortunes" , at least some of London's established street markets are shrinking. Petticoat Lane is an obvious example. Walthamstow Market another. The last I heard, the astonishing Shepherd's Bush Market was under imminent threat from developers. While over in eastern Tottenham, the KoberTories and Grainger seem determined to curtail and - my guess - eventually end the Ward's Corner Market.

Though I was glad to see the last time I was in Islington's Chapel Market it seemed to be flourishing. I hope I'm right; anybody know?

More generally, It also seems to me that there are - usually unspoken - issues of class, race, and ethnicity when it comes to which types of local market (and which individual businesses) are favoured or even subsidised by councils and developers.

To the artists/creatives who Grayson Perry called "the shock troops of gentrification",  I'd add the pop-up stallholders who also contribute to what he called: "this fairy dust of cool, ‘marketised’ bohemia drift[ing] down over various boroughs".  Often temporarily of course. Until the developers decide there's more money to be made by turning yet another area into a sanitised Anytown.

Sorry Alan and Marika, my error. Of course I meant 639 High Rd. The phone number remains the same.

So imagine you are an entrepreneur who has invested their own money, time, sweat and persistence in setting up a new business.  No grant. No deferral of section 106 payments or business rates or similar. No make-over of the frontage. No free adverts in Council paid-for leaflets. No photo-op with the Dear Leader or "cabinet member" for regeneration; etc, etc.

Then down the road, or  across the street a similar business opens with public assistance . . .

Fair? Even handed? Level playing field? Are there even some objective public criteria for who gets what?

Martin Ball, will speak for himself.  But wouldn't you accept my view that, at minimum, there are some reasonable questions to be asked and answered? Or is it okay for Haringey Council (and Boris Johnson) to play Father Christmas all year long with gift-wrapped handouts of public money?

Not all entrepreneurs have their own money. Note the use of kickstarter projects to get restaurants going in Hoxton/Shoreditch.

Sure. And, John, I suspect that behind many small businesses there'll be different stories involving incredible hard work and some personal sacrifices. With money begged, borrowed and scrounged from friends and relatives.

And kickstarted. Raising money by asking people isn't new. Charities do it all the time; and have developed sophisticated techniques to tap into individuals' social impulses and social consciences. 

Not just charities. Again, here's Amanda Palmer describing how she crowdfunded for music projects, "not by making people pay for music, but by letting them".

But let's go back to private businesses getting public resources. Sometimes cash. Sometimes public land and buildings. Sometimes preferential treatment.

But a local council isn't or should not be Kurt Vonnegut's fictional Mr Rosewater handing out cheques as he fancied.  It is - or should be - a careful and responsible steward of public assets. 

Though in some aspects in its relationship with big business Haringey now fits Vonnegut's description of a "... dream turned belly up, turned green, bobbed to the scummy surface of cupidity unlimited, filled with gas, went bang in the noonday sun,"

What I wrote is what I think.  But you choose to ignore the points I made and - going for the man and not the ball - you invent a fantasy about my supposed motivation.

I agree that a small business may indeed look for funding/advice from its local Council. I'd hope that a properly run local Council would operate within all the legal rules about Procurement, Licences, State Aid etc.  Operating a process which is equitable, totally transparent and which uses reasonable criteria which any  business and any  resident would be able to access and query.

Do you know what criteria were applied in decisions Haringey has taken? I don't. With this exception:

[Nick Walkley Chief Executive] "... said: “Boris invited Claire to lunch and she met John [McAslan]. She came back and said ‘I’ve met this bloke, I think he’s an architect’.”  (Source: Haringey Independent)

Do you think that's a fair way to choose which architects' firm is invited to Tottenham and given a free lease on a building in High Road Tottenham costing the Council £181,548?  A firm which shortly after (?) got the Grainger contract to design the new Apex House?  

I have considered the large number of small as well as large  businesses which - based on unknown criteria - are not among the  handful which received favoured treatment by Haringey Council.

That was why I asked you the questions here.  And here. Questions you chose to ignore.

To repeat: do you agree or disagree that in giving grants or benefits in kind to commercial businesses a local Council should operate within all the legal rules about Procurement, Licences, State Aid etc?  With a selection process which is equitable, totally transparent and which uses reasonable criteria which any  business and any  resident would be able to access and query?

Now you've descended to pointless abuse.

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