Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Survey: Do you agree with council plans to raise Resident Permit fees by 60%?
UPDATE 16 Nov: the survey trend has been the same all the way through.
Although the survey is still open I have sent the percentages through this afternoon, before tonights council meeting which is considering raising parking charges, and have asked them to consider the survey's findings.
The person emailed is Niall Bolger, Director of Urban Environment (who authored the Parking Charges Report), copying in Gerald Almeroth, Director of Finance, Ann Cunningham, Head of Parking Services and Nilgun Canver, councillor responsible for Enforcement, which includes parking.
Survey results (survey now CLOSED);
1. I am prepared to accept a considerably higher Resident Permit charge as a resident within a CPZ as the council is proposing. 4.3%
2. I feel that ALL residents within the borough should pay a fee for parking their car outside their house at CURRENT PRICES. 36.2%
3. I feel that ALL residents within the borough should pay a fee for parking their car outside their house at a LOWER PRICE. 38.3%
4. Don't agree with Resident Permit charges at all. 21.3%
So, 74.5% agree with widening the CPZ out to the whole borough, with marginally more going for a reduced charge on Residents Permits.
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The council plans to agree siginificant rises in Parking Charges at a Cabinet meeting next week, Nov 16th. See attached pdf below, provided by HOL member Adrian.
Some fees will rise by as much as 500%.
A Resident Permit for a medium sized car will go up from £60 to £95 (a 58% increase).
The council believes this will bring charges in line with surrounding boroughs but, as Adrian points out in his discussion Parking Charges set to Soar! this is not the case. Haringey will be the most expensive;
Waltham Forest £22.50
Barnet £40.00
Islington £85.00
Enfield £70.00
Hackney £92.00
Haringey £95 (proposed)
You may agree with this revenue raising measure to help meet the council overall budget shortfall.
You might however feel that a few residents living in CPZs shouldn't be carrying the can for this revenue raising measure. Should for example all residents pay a fee for parking outside their house? And at what rate; a reduced rate? Islington & Westminster require all resident car owners to contribute via an annual Residents Permit fee.
Please visit the survey here to give your view.
[Note: this survey is designed and run by an HoL member. It is not a Council commissioned survey]
Although the survey is still open I have sent the percentages through this afternoon, before tonights council meeting which is considering raising parking charges, and have asked them to consider the survey's findings.
The person emailed is Niall Bolger, Director of Urban Environment (who authored the Parking Charges Report), copying in Gerald Almeroth, Director of Finance, Ann Cunningham, Head of Parking Services and Nilgun Canver, councillor responsible for Enforcement, which includes parking.
Survey results (survey now CLOSED);
1. I am prepared to accept a considerably higher Resident Permit charge as a resident within a CPZ as the council is proposing. 4.3%
2. I feel that ALL residents within the borough should pay a fee for parking their car outside their house at CURRENT PRICES. 36.2%
3. I feel that ALL residents within the borough should pay a fee for parking their car outside their house at a LOWER PRICE. 38.3%
4. Don't agree with Resident Permit charges at all. 21.3%
So, 74.5% agree with widening the CPZ out to the whole borough, with marginally more going for a reduced charge on Residents Permits.
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The council plans to agree siginificant rises in Parking Charges at a Cabinet meeting next week, Nov 16th. See attached pdf below, provided by HOL member Adrian.
Some fees will rise by as much as 500%.
A Resident Permit for a medium sized car will go up from £60 to £95 (a 58% increase).
The council believes this will bring charges in line with surrounding boroughs but, as Adrian points out in his discussion Parking Charges set to Soar! this is not the case. Haringey will be the most expensive;
Waltham Forest £22.50
Barnet £40.00
Islington £85.00
Enfield £70.00
Hackney £92.00
Haringey £95 (proposed)
You may agree with this revenue raising measure to help meet the council overall budget shortfall.
You might however feel that a few residents living in CPZs shouldn't be carrying the can for this revenue raising measure. Should for example all residents pay a fee for parking outside their house? And at what rate; a reduced rate? Islington & Westminster require all resident car owners to contribute via an annual Residents Permit fee.
Please visit the survey here to give your view.
[Note: this survey is designed and run by an HoL member. It is not a Council commissioned survey]
Tags for Forum Posts: crouch end, parking
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ParkingChargesReport.pdf, 93 KB
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Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on
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Matt, I certainly agree that a few residents living in CPZs shouldn't be carrying the can for this revenue raising measure.
On the other hand, I cannot agree with either of the survey's variants on "all residents pay a fee for parking outside their house" .
A dozen or so timed scratch-cards per annum serves all my parking needs for visits by tradespeople/engineers and once-in-a-blue-moon calls by still unreconstructed friends/relatives who haven't managed to kick the filthy driving habit.
If LBH wish to come clean on parking fees as a purely revenue raising measure, let them show some balls (no offence Ms Kober) and raise my Council Tax by 1%, 2%, 3% . . . . . 10%. I'll pay the extra £25, £50, £75 . . . . . £250 without squealing - so long as all other Borough households pay similar percentages, and so long as LBH actually collects it all.
I don't object to contributing to the 75% of the Net Budget (Schools & Child Protection) which I've never drawn upon and never will - but try squeezing an extra chunk out of my little pension to subsidise the parking of other folk's rust-buckets three-quarters way over my few feet of pavement and there may be sparks flying.
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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Does anyone know the rules applicable to motorcycles and controlled parking zones please?
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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> "all residents pay a fee for parking outside their house" .
OAE, this is for car owners only. Scratchcard system for visitors continues as it is.
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So, "all vehicle owners" then - rather than "residents" !!!
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Charmaine can heave a sigh of relief and put her piggy bank back on the shelf :-)
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Thanks Matt, and thanks too, John. Charmaine will indeed be charmed. She sold me a dummy earlier in the year, had me convinced she was using her travelling scholarship to go along the Passage to SHS. In fact she's crossed Falkland to NHS. I guess my extended family do have some indirect benefit from that 75% of the Net Budget I shouldn't be paying for.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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"All residents pay a fee for parking outside their house" .
No we don't. In practice it may work like this in many streets. And most people are reasonable and are prepared to give-and-take with neighbours and their friends and visitors. But the notion that CPZs give anyone rights over a particular piece of street is not helpful and can lead to disputes.
"Scratchcard system for visitors continues as it is."
The system continues. The cost goes up. This table is from the appendix to the Cabinet Report.
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Permalink Reply by Maddy on
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Where is the box to tick that says: I don't mind paying for the CPZ in my own area but don't agree that the cost should rise so outrageously?
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This document says that since residents' parking charges were reduced in 2002, they have remained lower than other boroughs. But I seem to remember that they were put down (from £50 to £25) a couple of months before local elections, only to be hoiked up again for the average vehicle (based on emissions) a couple of years later to £60.
I think a sudden rise to £95 is unacceptable.
We could have a situation like Islington where there are no streets in the borough that are not in a CPZ, but I prefer there still being places to park free in Haringey.
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I asked former councillor Ray Dodds about the reduction in residential parking permits from £50 to £25 which Maddy mentions.
Ray was then 'lead member' for the Environmental Services Department. (Before it was inflated and rebranded as "Urban Environment").
He told me people complained about the £50 charge and this led to a rethink. At the time he thought an annual charge of £25 was reasonable. Ray added that in any case, the aim was to cover the costs of administering the schemes and to balance the Parking Account - as required by law.
Tottenham Hale ward councillor
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The survey asks, are the council right to pursue these increases? The pursuing will not go on for long and this coming Tuesday, the pursuit is likely to end. The council's options are limited. There wil be unfairness associated with theses charges, but approximately 1,000 council staff are to likely to be laid off and many of these have been working hard and performing useful tasks; no doubt they will also see unfairness.
All of this, and much more, is a by-product of the failure to regulate banks properly. This has been a feature of governments of different hues, but happened to a striking degree during the 13 years of the last government.
It's an abstract subject, but unless the general population as a whole realise its importance (and this feeds into the poltical process) another mega-banking crisis & bailout will happen again.
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